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Related: About this forumUS wildfires are what global warming really looks like, scientists warn
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/jun/29/us-wildfires-global-warming-scientistsHomes are destroyed by the Waldo Canyon fire in the Mountain Shadows area of Colorado Springs. Scientists say the fires offer a preview into the kind of disaters that climate change could bring. Photograph: Jerilee Bennett/AP
Scorching heat, high winds and bone-dry conditions are fueling catastrophic wildfires in the US west that offer a preview of the kind of disasters that human-caused climate change could bring, a trio of scientists said on Thursday.
"What we're seeing is a window into what global warming really looks like," said Princeton University's Michael Oppenheimer, a lead author for the UN's climate science panel. "It looks like heat, it looks like fires, it looks like this kind of environmental disaster This provides vivid images of what we can expect to see more of in the future."
In Colorado, wildfires that have raged for weeks have killed four people, displaced thousands and destroyed hundreds of homes. Because winter snowpack was lighter than usual and melted sooner, fire season started earlier in the US west, with wildfires out of control in Colorado, Montana and Utah.
The high temperatures that are helping drive these fires are consistent with projections by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which said this kind of extreme heat, with little cooling overnight, is one kind of damaging impact of global warming.
PolishBear
(9 posts)1: Public swimming pools open on Groundhog Day, dont close until Thanksgiving.
2: No more of those pesky polar bear attacks
EVER AGAIN.
3: You wont have to drive to the beach. The beach comes to YOU!
4: Business will be positively BOOMING at the Great Lakes alligator farms.
5: No more movies about cutesy penguins.
6: Fewer people freezing to death. Heatstroke is a much cozier way to go.
7: Forget mowing the lawn anymore. Just let it die, then paint it green.
8: February showers bring March flowers!
9: Those garishly-colored coral reefs will soon be a tasteful off-white.
10: A new, FUN contest to rename Glacier National Park!
11: Office dress codes revised to allow for Clothing-Optional Friday.
12: People less worried about going to Hell.
13: Now maybe animals will abandon the cruel practice of wearing fur.
flamingdem
(39,324 posts)That's the only one that could be fun
LaurenG
(24,841 posts)and the owner who is ill was trying to figure out where they went. Does anyone here know?
zeaper
(113 posts)It is burning here too.
LaurenG
(24,841 posts)zeaper
(113 posts)Look at your link, read the comments below, the Colorado info is either a scam or a mistake. Or it fooled more folks than me.
LaurenG
(24,841 posts)thanks.
pscot
(21,024 posts)a couple of weeks ago, and and the Russians are predicting a bad summer fire season.
flamingdem
(39,324 posts)No reason to expect next year will be much different, is there?
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)people are morons.
NickB79
(19,270 posts)And they asked him if he'd rebuild and he said "Absolutely! There are wonderful hiking trails in the region."
To which I yelled at the radio "Wonderful hiking trails through what?!?! Burnt-out stumplands?!?! There's nothing left to hike through, you dumb SOB!"
It's gonna take a while for the New Normal to sink in with most people, I think.
Throckmorton
(3,579 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)At first they were really happy that their house had made it through, but they said it was like living in a graveyard surrounded by the foundations of houses that had burned.
I moved out of Oakland a month before the fire. I've been super careful about where I live since then, and the only place I've lived that was "in the woods" was two blocks from a major highway so that I could walk out easily if there was a fire.
People just don't know.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Apparently at least the first row of houses up in Mountain Shadows was burned out, so in theory if those home owners want to just cash out, they will have basically just moved the forest in by a block or so. So there aren't that many "lone houses."
I think they'll rebuild though, there's a lot of outpouring of support for those people, with construction companies offering discounts. I might even wind up there cleaning out debris if the people I work with get a contract.
But part of me says I don't work for free (the neighborhood that burned is where a bunch of quarter million dollar houses were burned).
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...in the country. Or some of the best, anyway. And it used to be, until summers here started hitting 100 degrees for weeks on end.
It really is going to be a burnt out wasteland, but since tourism is a major major industry here they will likely plant new trees. It'll just take a decade or more for it to even start feeling like nature again.
When the smoke finally clears and new plant life pokes up from the scorched earth after the wildfires raging in the southern Rockies, what emerges will look radically different than what was there just a few weeks ago. According to Craig Allen, a research ecologist with the United States Geological Survey in Los Alamos, N.M., forests in the region have not been regenerating after the vast wildfires that have been raging for the last decade and a half.
Dr. Allen, who runs the Jemez Mountains Field Station at Bandelier National Monument, says those forests are burning into oblivion and grasslands and shrub lands are taking their place. Rising temperature is going to drive our forests off the mountains, he said.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Thanks for showing me that.
flamingdem
(39,324 posts)or just the Colorado Springs area?
I know people who live in other areas and they don't seem concerned. I would be.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)But the weather here has been dry and hot so there's no telling if the rest of the state is going to burn. Waldo Canyon is contained at the south side so the whole Old Coach area is OK (my images). Still, the hiking areas were best around Rampart Range / Garden of the Gods. Not many hiking paths around Old Coach.
flamingdem
(39,324 posts)Do people have their heads in the sand? I know someone who wants to buy and retire there and it just seems like a bad idea if there are huge fires every year.