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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:30 PM Jul 2012

Ice melt found across 97 percent of Greenland, satellites show

Three satellites found that 97 percent of Greenland -- the land mass second only to Antarctica for its volume of ice -- underwent a thaw never before seen in 33 years of satellite tracking, NASA reported Tuesday.

Satellite experts at first didn't trust their readings, especially since they showed an incredible acceleration. Over four days, Greenland's ice sheet -- which covers 683,000 square miles -- went from 40 percent in thaw to nearly entirely in thaw.

"This was so extraordinary that at first I questioned the result: Was this real or was it due to a data error?" Son Nghiem of NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena, Calif., said in NASA's statement about the findings.

Scientists on the ground in Greenland had been reporting an unusually warm summer thaw, including damage at a snow airfield and strong runoff threatening a bridge, Tom Wagner, who manages NASA's ice research programs, told NBC News.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07/24/12927340-ice-melt-found-across-97-percent-of-greenland-satellites-show?lite

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Ice melt found across 97 percent of Greenland, satellites show (Original Post) IDemo Jul 2012 OP
If this is true, this very scary. longship Jul 2012 #1
57% transitioned to melt over four days? phantom power Jul 2012 #2
We should ban ice melt. liberal N proud Jul 2012 #3
and it's not even August yet proud patriot Jul 2012 #4
Jet stream movement. ? dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #5
Probably. It's contributing to a lot of acrctic sea ice melt, as well. joshcryer Jul 2012 #8
From the limited amount I understand dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #10
Albedo change is my greatest concern. joshcryer Jul 2012 #11
Cascades are, by their nature, unpredictable pscot Jul 2012 #12
It's a worst case scenario that no model predicted Nederland Jul 2012 #14
Yeah, they underestimate. joshcryer Jul 2012 #15
They under estimate some things and over estimate others. Nederland Jul 2012 #16
"such island-wide thaws have happened every 150 years or so," says article. n/t dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #6
I just noticed that bit too dipsydoodle Jul 2012 #7
I saw elsewhere that this doesn't occur like clockwork... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #17
NASA Release OKIsItJustMe Jul 2012 #9
This should be a the top story on the news flamingdem Jul 2012 #13

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. If this is true, this very scary.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:43 PM
Jul 2012


We're talking serious ocean level increases with this. It will take a while, but apparently not as long as was earlier forecasts indicated.

Tipping points anybody?
R&K

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
8. Probably. It's contributing to a lot of acrctic sea ice melt, as well.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 11:07 PM
Jul 2012

The question is about recovery though, it's always about recovery, and something like this is going to have feedbacks.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
10. From the limited amount I understand
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:37 AM
Jul 2012

the feedback will be lakes forming until cracks open in the areas surrounding glaciers. The water flooding down to the bottom acts like WD40 causing accelerated slip.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
11. Albedo change is my greatest concern.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:57 AM
Jul 2012

Arctic sea ice is going to be gone in the summer by 2020 at the latest (best guess is closer to 2013-2015). once that happens there will be a significant amount of solar absorption which will just cause things to cascade further.

It's a worst case scenario that no model predicted.

The best we can hope for is that the melt relaxes and the arctic sea ice recovers, but it's simply only a matter of time. The statistics don't lie: https://sites.google.com/site/arctischepinguin/home/piomas

We're fucked and yes I know I sound like an alarmist here. But I take that designation proudly.

Nederland

(9,976 posts)
14. It's a worst case scenario that no model predicted
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:49 PM
Jul 2012

Not really surprising, given that the models suck.

Nederland

(9,976 posts)
16. They under estimate some things and over estimate others.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:43 AM
Jul 2012

They under estimated sea ice loss, over estimated temperature rise, under estimated CO2 rise, and both over and under estimated sea level rise depending on which IPCC report you are looking at.

In other words, they suck.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
17. I saw elsewhere that this doesn't occur like clockwork...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:09 PM
Jul 2012

...and that the last one was a knock-on effect of a large Volcano (Krakatoa maybe??) spewing ash into the atmosphere and upsetting things...

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