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Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:26 PM Aug 2012

An Open Letter to Scientists Who Still Deny AGW

So it turns out there is no aether.

In 1895, believing that light waves traveled in some invisible medium was a perfectly respectable theory with tons of supporting evidence. Oh there were problems, but…

By 1920, with all the evidence supporting Relativity coming in, holding onto the aether theory was a little pig-headed, but still understandable.

But it’s now September 1945, two atomic bombs have been exploded over Japan, all thinking people are debating what we’re going to do with the new atomic physics, and you’re still telling us and decision makers that light really travels on an invisible medium called aether.

You know what the real debate is now? How long do we continue to debate YOU and not look silly.

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An Open Letter to Scientists Who Still Deny AGW (Original Post) Junkdrawer Aug 2012 OP
Will these scientists be remembered when exboyfil Aug 2012 #1
I wish the dire effects were 30 years out.... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #2
I don't. I want them to happen as soon as possible ... Nihil Aug 2012 #4
I know what you're saying and I've said as much before.... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #7
I like the way you think! pscot Aug 2012 #9
As Max Planck once said... Speck Tater Aug 2012 #3
It is important to note that the biggest names on the denier exboyfil Aug 2012 #5
Also paraphrased as "Science changes one funeral at a time".... Junkdrawer Aug 2012 #6
Thanks. I didn't remember the actual quote. nt Speck Tater Aug 2012 #8

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
1. Will these scientists be remembered when
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 07:49 PM
Aug 2012

we are living with the effects and solid proof of AGW in 30 years? Their names will be cursed and laughed about - a heck of a legacy.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
4. I don't. I want them to happen as soon as possible ...
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:44 AM
Aug 2012

... not only so that I can be here to help my children but, more importantly, so that
the backlash hits the people who have caused it while they are still alive.

There is little point in "cursing their memory" if the bastards lived a long & luxurious
life, protected from the direct effects of their selfish greed. It would be far better for
them to be hauled up in front of the victims so that they can see, hear & feel the
pain that they have caused.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
7. I know what you're saying and I've said as much before....
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:58 AM
Aug 2012

(And if you read Bill McKIbben's 'Eaarth', you'll find he's very acid on the "we need to do small token things to help our 'grandchildren'..." position)

But, due to stranded costs in old fossil fuel infrastructure, change on the scale needed to not push the planet past the tipping point may be politically impossible now.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
3. As Max Planck once said...
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:23 PM
Aug 2012

Science changes, not because scientists change their mind, but because the old scientists, die out.

(Or something to that effect).

Scientists are a particularly stubborn lot.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
5. It is important to note that the biggest names on the denier
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 06:19 AM
Aug 2012

list are old Emeritus professors. Some are just contrarians, but others like the wining and dining that goes along with taking the other side.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
6. Also paraphrased as "Science changes one funeral at a time"....
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 07:41 AM
Aug 2012

Better sound bite, IMHO

I Googled the full quote as:

"a new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift

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