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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:42 AM Dec 2012

Woman shares reaction after seeing 'Chasing Ice'

A Fox News/O'Reilly climate change denier has her mind changed by the movie 'Chasing Ice', currently in limited release. Visit www.chasingice.com/showtimes for screenings around the country.

A NOTE from me - @justin_kanew - the guy who shot it:

People have been asking me if this video is set up. I promise it isn't. I was at the theater helping with the release of the movie all weekend, mostly managing the guest list. Many people came out of the movie emotional, but none as emotional as this lady. She started talking to me in a very real way, with tears in her eyes, essentially apologizing to me for her previous position on the subject and letting me know she was a Fox/O'Reilly watcher who just had her mind changed by the movie. It occurred to me that that was a pretty powerful moment, and one you don't see every day, so i asked her if she would mind telling me that on video. She said she wouldn't, so I pulled out my camera, and what you see here happened.


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Woman shares reaction after seeing 'Chasing Ice' (Original Post) phantom power Dec 2012 OP
THAT was real. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #1
Can you imagine what it feels like to be 60 and realize that you have been Squinch Dec 2012 #2
I'm pretty sure that the denialist demographic is thoroughly sold on an image... phantom power Dec 2012 #3
It really took 25 years for you to realize that it wasn't a Vast Leftie Conspiracy? Really? hatrack Dec 2012 #4
I hear exactly Delphinus Dec 2012 #6
We went to the movie last night. stuntcat Dec 2012 #5
. Delphinus Dec 2012 #7
. stuntcat Dec 2012 #8

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
1. THAT was real.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:54 AM
Dec 2012

I could feel the lump in her throat.
Sure hope there are many many more like her soon.

I sent the trailer of the documentary to everyone I know.

Squinch

(51,004 posts)
2. Can you imagine what it feels like to be 60 and realize that you have been
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:56 AM
Dec 2012

convinced by a frivolous man to denounce the most basic demands of your well being.

I've argued with people like her "before conversion", and they have infuriated me and insulted me, and I shouldn't feel such sympathy for her, but I do.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
3. I'm pretty sure that the denialist demographic is thoroughly sold on an image...
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:29 AM
Dec 2012

of climate scientists as pulling their predictions out of their ass, and also that it's all In The Future And Hypothetical. The idea that this stuff is based on actual observation (that you can even put into a documentary) is probably new to them. I predict that our ongoing north american drought, and events like Sandy, will also chip away at the wall of denial.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
4. It really took 25 years for you to realize that it wasn't a Vast Leftie Conspiracy? Really?
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 11:47 AM
Dec 2012

You made people leave your house if they "believed" in global warming? And now you've "seen the light", the same light that's been metaphorically crisping your skin with third-degree reality sunburn for literally decades?

As much as it pains me to say it, the positive feedback loops now in motion are not going to be slowed by carpooling or air-drying your clothes, or by telling your friends about this movie, for that matter.

Sorry, too late. I mean, glad you're all choked up, honey, but the time for preventative action has come and FUCKING GONE.

Or, to quote The Lady Chablis, "Two tears in a bucket, motherfuck it."

Delphinus

(11,840 posts)
6. I hear exactly
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 06:44 PM
Dec 2012

what you are saying, hatrack.

And I also believe we have stepped in deep doo-doo - there's no way to stop this and the sooner we realize it and try to come up with a plan (however feeble it might be), the better.

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
5. We went to the movie last night.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:09 PM
Dec 2012

I'd already seen this video, so during the movie I was watching for what exactly changed her mind. I mean all the deniers must have heard a little of what the scientists say, but I guess they're so used to only hearing from one side that when they see people (who aren't politicians) presenting it all at once then it gets right through. I mean this women isn't stupid, and she must care about the future being left to her grandkids. The deniers' argument is usually about "natural cycles", and "this has always happened", so I though melting ice wouldn't change her mind, so I was looking for what in the film DID get her.

Much of it was about how they got the footage, and the knee problems that kept Balog from doing some of the filming himself, but he had a team helping him so they got what they needed anyway. But parts were about what's causing climate change, it told it simply, easy to understand. The best part was when he told the evidence that scientists get from ice cores, how from the air bubbles they know the temperature and co2 concentration at the time the layer of ice froze (settled, whatever) The long graph of those two statistics, covering many thousands of years and showing how the two went up & down together made it very clear. If all the rest of the talk didn't get her then I know that picture did. The worst thing about that graph though is how much higher than ever before the co2 concentration goes now, like up up up.. so scary. Now it's about 400 ppm. I remember when it went over 350, it was just a few years ago. How does this not terrify people???? How can anyone paying attention to it still think they've just GOT to give the rest of this century to their little babies?

Most of the melting shots are from the time-lapsed films they made with all the cameras. But there's a scene near the end where a glacier the size of lower Manhattan and three times as high (well, deep) breaks off into the sea. At first it's hard watching it to really understand how big it is, it being ice, but when I got it I think my mouth actually dropped open. The time lapsed scenes are great at showing what's happening but watching that huge piece calving was incredible, almost unbelievable.

They showed scenes of Balog with his family and it bugged me that he has small children, while here he is showing how frightening the next few decades will be, and how it's because of our species. Then at the very end, after the credits, it says "to our children" and then lists the names of everyone's kids, which is nice, don't get me wrong. But then under their names it says "and to their children..." But what if some of their children decide, "Hey, since my species going from 2 billion to 8 billion in less than a century is the main cause of this, well I'M not going to make copies of myself." or even "Hey look how scary the next 90 years is, I'm not going to give it to the one person I'd love and respect more than all the rest, no MY child doesn't belong here." This may be a sad way to think.. some of us have made this decision and will live the rest of our lives never knowing what it's like to have our own baby, but also we'll know (and have it proven over and over) that we've done the right thing to keep our child from this. That end part of the credits just bothered me. Does NO ONE, even the people who know the most about what's happening and how their species is causing it, understand someone deciding not to make more babies. This just kills me about humanity.

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