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Related: About this forumLeading climate scientist: Canada’s tar sands makes climate change ‘unsolvable’
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/19/leading-climate-scientist-canadas-tar-sands-makes-climate-change-unsolvable/Major international oil companies are buying off governments, according to the worlds most prominent climate scientist, Prof James Hansen. During a visit to London, he accused the Canadian government of acting as the industrys tar sands salesman and holding a club over the UK and European nations to accept its dirty oil.
Oil from tar sands makes sense only for a small number of people who are making a lot of money from that product, he said in an interview with the Guardian. It doesnt make sense for the rest of the people on the planet. We are getting close to the dangerous level of carbon in the atmosphere and if we add on to that unconventional fossil fuels, which have a tremendous amount of carbon, then the climate problem becomes unsolvable.
Hansen met ministers in the UK government, which the Guardian previously revealed has secretly supported Canadas position at the highest level.
Canadas natural resources minister, Joe Oliver, has also visited London to campaign against EU proposals to penalise oil from Albertas tar sands as highly polluting. Canada can offer energy security and economic stability to the world, he said. Oliver also publicly threatened a trade war via the World Trade Organisation if the EU action went ahead: Canada will not hesitate to defend its interests.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)He opposes XL -- I get that. But, he opposes natural gas. He opposes nuclear.
I would like to see a breakthrough moment in which James Hansen comes out in support of something.
Hansen is a hero of mine. His work on global warming was world changing.
But this? Tar sands will make global warming unsolvable?
This happens so often -- scientists retire to go on the lecture circuit for the unhinged.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)... especially when it does so to the scale of tar sand extraction & consumption.
He "comes out in support of" reduced consumption, increased efficiency and
anything that will penalise the fossil fuel industry that is still growing at a frightening
rate - out of control & out of reach of mere laws - as he recognises that the impact
to the global environment is far more important than some dipshit's annual bonus
for meeting their increased sales goals.
What's so hard to understand with that? (unless you are in favour of fossil fuels)
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Does he actively support wind, solar, biofuels? I cannot tell, and I've looked.
NickB79
(19,246 posts)It's very hard to find things to say that most people will get behind, so of course you come off sounding like you oppose everything.
Hansen supports leaving a planet that is livable for our grandchildren. It's just that he recognizes we're not going to get there from here in time to prevent a global crisis by doing the same insignificant, piecemeal things we've done for the past 20 years.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)They will require energy. It's really that simple.
NickB79
(19,246 posts)I have no doubt that, 50-100 years from now, people will DESIRE much more energy than they have access to. That won't make it appear from nowhere, though. If we have destroyed our most concentrated resource bases to provide energy, people will have to make due with less. It's really that simple as well.
If we hit 4C of warming by 2100 as now projected, much of civilization as we know it will be toast. Much of the "busy" work going on will be the work of people simply trying to survive from day to day.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I wouldn't try because I've never disagreed with that, except the "simply trying to survive from day to day." That's extreme, but it's your opinion.
ConcernedCanuk
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the scientist is referring to use of the waste.
There was an article on DU about this before.
I found this though by googling:
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http://grist.org/news/huge-tar-sands-waste-pile-grows-alongside-detroit-river/
In the few short months since it began handling the Canadian oil, the refinery has already spewed out a three-story mountain of black waste covering an area the size a city block. That mountain is still growing, and it is not covered with anything to prevent tiny carbon particles from blowing over the city.
The waste cant be legally used as fuel in the U.S. So the Koch brothers have bought up the pile and plan to sell it to be burned in poorer countries that enjoy freedom from all of Americas bothersome environmental regulations.
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So Canada is allowing pollution to spread to other countries by supplying them with burnable materials that would not be allowed in Canada or the USA.
I think there is something wrong with that.
CC