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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon May 20, 2013, 09:11 AM May 2013

Leading climate scientist: Canada’s tar sands makes climate change ‘unsolvable’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/19/leading-climate-scientist-canadas-tar-sands-makes-climate-change-unsolvable/



Major international oil companies are buying off governments, according to the world’s most prominent climate scientist, Prof James Hansen. During a visit to London, he accused the Canadian government of acting as the industry’s tar sands salesman and “holding a club” over the UK and European nations to accept its “dirty” oil.

“Oil from tar sands makes sense only for a small number of people who are making a lot of money from that product,” he said in an interview with the Guardian. “It doesn’t make sense for the rest of the people on the planet. We are getting close to the dangerous level of carbon in the atmosphere and if we add on to that unconventional fossil fuels, which have a tremendous amount of carbon, then the climate problem becomes unsolvable.”

Hansen met ministers in the UK government, which the Guardian previously revealed has secretly supported Canada’s position at the highest level.

Canada‘s natural resources minister, Joe Oliver, has also visited London to campaign against EU proposals to penalise oil from Alberta’s tar sands as highly polluting. “Canada can offer energy security and economic stability to the world,” he said. Oliver also publicly threatened a trade war via the World Trade Organisation if the EU action went ahead: “Canada will not hesitate to defend its interests.”
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Leading climate scientist: Canada’s tar sands makes climate change ‘unsolvable’ (Original Post) xchrom May 2013 OP
Hansen now opposes everything. Buzz Clik May 2013 #1
He opposes everything that promotes or enables continued fossil fuel usage ... Nihil May 2013 #2
I understand it perfectly, but I don't find it particularly helpful. Buzz Clik May 2013 #4
When you realize the myth of infinite growth is the enemy NickB79 May 2013 #3
His grandchildren will be living on a very busy planet. Buzz Clik May 2013 #5
Just because you require something, does not make it magically appear NickB79 May 2013 #6
Yep. No arguing that. Buzz Clik May 2013 #7
Article is not clear, but I think ConcernedCanuk May 2013 #8
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
1. Hansen now opposes everything.
Mon May 20, 2013, 09:25 AM
May 2013

He opposes XL -- I get that. But, he opposes natural gas. He opposes nuclear.

I would like to see a breakthrough moment in which James Hansen comes out in support of something.

Hansen is a hero of mine. His work on global warming was world changing.

But this? Tar sands will make global warming unsolvable?

This happens so often -- scientists retire to go on the lecture circuit for the unhinged.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
2. He opposes everything that promotes or enables continued fossil fuel usage ...
Tue May 21, 2013, 04:11 AM
May 2013

... especially when it does so to the scale of tar sand extraction & consumption.

He "comes out in support of" reduced consumption, increased efficiency and
anything that will penalise the fossil fuel industry that is still growing at a frightening
rate - out of control & out of reach of mere laws - as he recognises that the impact
to the global environment is far more important than some dipshit's annual bonus
for meeting their increased sales goals.

What's so hard to understand with that? (unless you are in favour of fossil fuels)



 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
4. I understand it perfectly, but I don't find it particularly helpful.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:54 AM
May 2013

Does he actively support wind, solar, biofuels? I cannot tell, and I've looked.

NickB79

(19,246 posts)
3. When you realize the myth of infinite growth is the enemy
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:11 AM
May 2013

It's very hard to find things to say that most people will get behind, so of course you come off sounding like you oppose everything.

Hansen supports leaving a planet that is livable for our grandchildren. It's just that he recognizes we're not going to get there from here in time to prevent a global crisis by doing the same insignificant, piecemeal things we've done for the past 20 years.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
5. His grandchildren will be living on a very busy planet.
Tue May 21, 2013, 07:55 AM
May 2013

They will require energy. It's really that simple.

NickB79

(19,246 posts)
6. Just because you require something, does not make it magically appear
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:32 AM
May 2013

I have no doubt that, 50-100 years from now, people will DESIRE much more energy than they have access to. That won't make it appear from nowhere, though. If we have destroyed our most concentrated resource bases to provide energy, people will have to make due with less. It's really that simple as well.

If we hit 4C of warming by 2100 as now projected, much of civilization as we know it will be toast. Much of the "busy" work going on will be the work of people simply trying to survive from day to day.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
7. Yep. No arguing that.
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:46 AM
May 2013

I wouldn't try because I've never disagreed with that, except the "simply trying to survive from day to day." That's extreme, but it's your opinion.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
8. Article is not clear, but I think
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:26 AM
May 2013

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the scientist is referring to use of the waste.

There was an article on DU about this before.

I found this though by googling:

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http://grist.org/news/huge-tar-sands-waste-pile-grows-alongside-detroit-river/


In the few short months since it began handling the Canadian oil, the refinery has already spewed out a three-story mountain of black waste covering an area the size a city block. That mountain is still growing, and it is not covered with anything to prevent tiny carbon particles from blowing over the city.

The waste can’t be legally used as fuel in the U.S. So the Koch brothers have bought up the pile and plan to sell it to be burned in poorer countries that enjoy freedom from all of America’s bothersome environmental regulations.
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So Canada is allowing pollution to spread to other countries by supplying them with burnable materials that would not be allowed in Canada or the USA.

I think there is something wrong with that.

CC

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