Environment & Energy
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"Just this week I noted a new tool from the US Department of Energy showing that fueling an electric car is about 3 times cheaper than fueling a gasmobile. Well, those fuel savings add up, resulting in more money in your pocket, as a recent study from the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) shows. Heres more info (and two charts!) from Sophie Vorrath of RenewEconomy:
The study found that petrol prices were one of the major factors affecting this balance, but the bad news for us in Australia, anyway is that Americas state and federal EV incentives were an even more important contributing factor, as were capital costs, which are being driven down in the US in what appears to be an electric car price war. Driving habits and maintenance also played a role.
http://theenergycollective.com/zachshahan/237916/electric-cars-much-cheaper-you-think-cheaper-gasmobiles-charts?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=The+Energy+Collective+%28all+posts%29
http://energy.gov/articles/egallon-how-much-cheaper-it-drive-electricity
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Grandma's house? Or Las Vegas?
hunter
(38,321 posts)You gotta fly or take a boat.
My wife and I wouldn't have to rent a gasoline powered car more than once or twice a year, if that.
In my perfect world most people wouldn't have to own cars, nor would they want to.
Cars destroy the natural environment, they're dangerous, and they smell bad. The "freedom" they give you is a cruel illusion. A driver's license is an internal passport, just like they have in any other authoritarian nation.
quadrature
(2,049 posts)nt
hunter
(38,321 posts)The automobile culture was a horrible, horrible mistake.
Autoworkers could just as well be building electric railroads to replace airlines, long haul trucking, and long distance automobile travel. They could be building lightweight, slower, more energy efficient electric cars and public transportation systems for local travel. They could be building solar power and energy storage systems.
We could also start breaking up sprawling suburbs into smaller walkable communities with distinctive shopping and community centers.
There's plenty of work to be done, we simply have to decide we're going to stop using fossil fuels.
But we won't, and things are going to get ugly.
quadrature
(2,049 posts)consider Detroit.
perfectly usable locations
and homesites are being abandoned.
hunter
(38,321 posts)Oh yeah, we're being screwed over by the very wealthy. They need people who will take their abuse. It's do what they tell you to do or starve.
NickB79
(19,257 posts)Oh my, oh my.
You can't expect to keep our car-centered culture and adequately address our numerous environmental issues at the same time, even if we replaced all IC-cars with electrics.
The future lies in mass transit out of sheer necessity, Detroit be damned.
quadrature
(2,049 posts)they tend to be uncooperative.
especially if cooperation requires
sacrifice.
ask Al Gore to give up
his private jet.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)and deservedly so.
Taking Al out of the equation - we need to create transportation, energy, and jobs that have nothing to do with fossil fuels, and do it as quickly as possible.
Or accept that humans are incapable of self-preservation.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)hunter
(38,321 posts)Maybe a sailboat. That's the old fashioned way and not nearly so dangerous as it was thousands of years ago.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)Within five years that will change.