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OKIsItJustMe

(19,938 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:43 AM Jul 2013

Hunting Pushing Central African Forests Toward Ecological Collapse

http://www.wcs.org/press/press-releases/hunting-in-central-african-forests.aspx
[font face=Serif][font size=5]Hunting Pushing Central African Forests Toward Ecological Collapse[/font]

[font size=3]Loss of elephants, gorillas and other species threatens long-term persistence of forests

Study by the Universities of Stirling, Oxford, Queensland, and WCS warn of imminent ecological collapse caused by unsustainable hunting and other factors


NEW YORK (July 22, 2013)—Scientists from the Universities of Stirling, Oxford, Queensland and the Wildlife Conservation Society warn that current hunting trends in Central African forests could result in complete ecological collapse.

The authors maintain that the current rate of unsustainable hunting of forest elephants, gorillas and other seed-dispersing species threatens the ability of forest ecosystems to regenerate, and that landscape-wide hunting management plans are needed to avoid an environmental catastrophe.

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Hunting Pushing Central African Forests Toward Ecological Collapse (Original Post) OKIsItJustMe Jul 2013 OP
More evidence that the human race is too stupid to survive. nt ladjf Jul 2013 #1
Sounds like the story of the mammoth and the Osage orange NickB79 Jul 2013 #2
I seem to recall there was a similar seed purportedly eaten by dodos ... eppur_se_muova Jul 2013 #3
Mammoth or Mastodon? happyslug Jul 2013 #4

NickB79

(19,257 posts)
2. Sounds like the story of the mammoth and the Osage orange
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jul 2013
http://www.americanforests.org/magazine/article/trees-that-miss-the-mammoths/

According to my field guide, Osage-orange has a limited natural range in the Red River region of east-central Texas, southeastern Oklahoma, and adjacent Arkansas. Indians used to travel hundreds of miles for the wood, prized as the finest for making bows. Then European settlers planted it widely as living fences, taking advantage of the tree’s ability to spread via shoots from lateral roots. But Osage-orange persisted, and became widely naturalized long after the invention of barbed wire rendered them useless to farmers. The tree can now be found in 39 states and Ontario. If Osage-orange does so well elsewhere, why was it restricted to such a small area?

The answer likely lies in the disappearance of its primary disperser. Without mammoths, groundsloths, and other megafauna to transport its seeds uphill, the range of the species gradually shrank to the Red River region. In fact, fossils tell us that Osage-orange was much more widespread and diverse before the megafaunal extinctions. Back then, Osage-oranges could be found north up to Ontario, and there were seven, not just one, species in the Osage-orange genus, Maclura.

Another anachronistic tree is the Kentucky coffeetree, so named because early Kentucky settlers used its beans as a coffee substitute. Coffeetrees have tough, leathery pods with large, toxic seeds surrounded by a sweet pulp. Water cannot penetrate the thick seed coat to begin germination unless it is abraded or cut. Sounds like mammoth food to me. The natural range of coffeetrees is concentrated in the Midwest, but without its megafauna disperser, it is generally rare and mostly limited to floodplains.

eppur_se_muova

(36,280 posts)
3. I seem to recall there was a similar seed purportedly eaten by dodos ...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jul 2013
The increasing disappearance of young calvaria trees, is suggested due to Cylindraspis tortoises, fruit bats or the Broad-billed Parrot could have been dispersing the seeds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascarene_Islands


There's a long discussion as to the veracity of this claim in Quammen's book, The Song of the Dodo: http://books.google.com/books?id=NXm8QdF5jEYC&pg=PA350&lpg=PA350&dq=jared+diamond+calvaria+major&source=bl&ots=OwHjFL_-ty&sig=YG1jVzpACzExl2Jg7WWAK13oSrM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=gQTvUdzqMqH7yAHay4GwAw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=jared%20diamond%20calvaria%20major&f=false
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
4. Mammoth or Mastodon?
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jul 2013


Mammoth are closer to African Elephants then even the Asiatic Elephants. All three are known to be grazers, i.e eat tall grasses.

It was the Mastodon that like living in timber. The Mastodon only existed in North America.

Mastodons have been characterized as predominantly browsing animals, most accounts of gut contents have identified coniferous twigs as the dominant element in their diet, in other accounts (Burning tree mastodon) have found no coniferous content and suggest selective feeding on low, herbaceous vegetation, implying a mixed browsing and grazing diet,[23] evidence supported by studies of isotopic bone chemistry but displaying a seasonal preference for browsing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon

Now the Wikipedia site for Mammoths repeats the comment it was Mammoths that spread these seeds not Mastodon, then goes on to say the Mammoths were predominately grazers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant

Browsing is a type of herbivoy in which an herbivore (or, more narrowly defined, a folivore) feeds on leaves, soft shoots, or fruits of high growing, generally woody, plants such as shrubs.[1] This is contrasted with grazing, usually associated with animals feeding on grass or other low vegetation. An example of this dichotomy are goats (which are browsers) and sheep (which are grazers); these two closely related ruminants utilize dissimilar food sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browsing_(herbivory)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browsing_(herbivory)

Now, if you read about herbivores you will find out most will do both Grazing and Browsing, but prefers one to the other. For example the White rhinoceros of Africa has a wide set of lips for it is a Grazer, but the Black rhinoceros, which has a hooked upper lip, is a browser.

http://books.google.com/books?id=iqwEYkTDZf4C&pg=PA527#v=onepage&q&f=false

Just a comment that it was probably the Mastodon that spread these seeds not the Mammoth.
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