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Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 05:26 PM Oct 2013

Alaska sinks as climate change thaws permafrost - hey buccaroos, it's OVER

the permafrost seems to be melting rather more than has been described recently. With it now thawing, you can't turn that around right away (even if we stopped all GHG emissions tomorrow) it would be a long time before the temps started coming back down. In the mean time the melting permafrost will be adding methane to the atmosphere as the organic matter in the permafrost decays. With 75 times the heating trapping capacity of CO2 for the first 20 - 30 years (before methane breaks down into CO2) you can expect the temps to actually continue to rise. For how long? NObody's sure since the estimates as to the quantity of organic matter and the rate of thawing vary considerably. But be sure of this: The temps will keep rising for a long time (even given the hypothetical situation of no additional GHG emissions starting tomorrow).



The permafrost consists of two layers .. "a top "active" layer that thaws and refreezes each year and a deeper layer that remains frozen and stores organic carbon from decaying plants and animals — possibly twice as much carbon as in the atmosphere."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/08/alaska-sinks--climate-change-thaws-permafrost/2794255/


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The pace of permafrost thawing is "accelerating," says Vladimir Romanovsky, who runs the University of Alaska's Permafrost Laboratory in Fairbanks. He expects widespread degradation will start in a decade or two. By mid-century, his models suggest, permafrost could thaw in at least a third of Alaska and by 2100, in two-thirds of the state.

"This rapid thawing is unprecedented" and is largely due to fossil-fuel emissions, says Kevin Schaefer of the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo. He says it's already emitting its own heat-trapping carbon dioxide and methane, but the amount will skyrocket in the next 20 to 30 years. "Once the emissions start, they can't be turned off."



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"We're on the edge of a major transition point," Schuur says, pointing to a 2013 report he authored that found tundras worldwide may already be emitting more carbon than they absorb. He says global permafrost emissions will be significant — akin to those from current deforestation — but probably much less than those from power plants, cars and other burning of oil and gas.

These emissions weren't included in the global warming estimates developed by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and released in September as the first part of its Fifth Assessment Report. The report, which said with heightened certainty that humans are responsible for the planet's rising temperatures, serves as a basis for negotiating future climate treaties.



With the permafrost melting having progressed further along than previously noted, this means we would have to achieve huge cuts to GHG emissions in a very short time period - say like 10 yrs - if we are to rein in GW. The only other thing that might save civilization (as we know it), added GHG VERY significant reductions of GHG emissions, would be removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere - and in a big way. At this point, there are some ideas but I don't think any of them are 'ready for prime time' as of yet. When somebody comes up with one that IS 'ready for Prime time' expect the costs to be very high - if somebody comes up with such an idea.



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Alaska sinks as climate change thaws permafrost - hey buccaroos, it's OVER (Original Post) Bill USA Oct 2013 OP
I hate republicans. (nt) Control-Z Oct 2013 #1
Indeed. Methane feedbacks are the coffin nail. GliderGuider Oct 2013 #2
Can you say "faster than expected", boys and girls ? eppur_se_muova Oct 2013 #3
Defying Zeus, Prometheus gave man the gift of fire . . . ConcernedCanuk Oct 2013 #4
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