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Related: About this forumFla. regulators approve Duke Energy nuclear plant settlement
Solar homeowners are a threat because they supposedly don't pay their "fair share" of costs for the grid, the utilities say; and yet:
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. Florida customers of Duke Energy will be paying the next several years for shuttered nuclear power plants under a settlement approved by state regulators.
...The Crystal River plant was shut down permanently following repairs that cracked a wall in the facility. This summer, the Charlotte, N.C. based company abandoned plans to build the Levy County plant.
Under the settlement, the average residential customer would pay $5.62 a month starting in January. But the cost could go up even more between 2015 and 2019.
...Duke has been collecting money from customers for a while and has already collected $1 billion, Channel 9 has learned.
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/fla-regulators-approve-nuclear-plant-settlement/nbQtS/
madokie
(51,076 posts)for Duke Energy. How the hell can it be that rate payers have to pay for something that isn't even going to be built let alone paying for it before it was even built.
Something wrong with this picture for sure.
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)If FL had a "free market"... then those companies would have to compete with alternative providers and if they spent a billion dollars preping for a build that never went through (or screwed up a repair on a piece of equipment)... they would be SOL.
But most parts of the country have regulated monopolies where the government decides who can play and how much they can charge. The company's profits are too often tied to a percentage of their costs... which means that there's little incentive to avoid costs.
It's a pretty clear moral hazard - though it has little to do with nuclear power except to the extent that nuclear projects have large dollar figures associated with them.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Where else is it allowed to charge for something before its built
If what is going on in Japan right now isn't enough to call into question the so called safety of nuclear power plants I don't know what is. Removing the fuel rods in unit 4 is going to be one dicey operation. My hope is it goes as planned but at this point its pretty Iffy
FBaggins
(26,748 posts)It has been used for lots of different generation and transmission projects (including renewables).
madokie
(51,076 posts)FBaggins
(26,748 posts)Colorado has used it for transmission projects for years.
There are loads of examples. Utilities have huge capital expenditures required over the next few decades and they don't have the rock-solid credit ratings that they once had... so financing gets more and more expensive. So long-term expensive projects (of any type) become more challenging. States have found CWIP to be more attractive than proviging financing themselves.
madokie
(51,076 posts)in both states but so far I'm not finding anything that suggest that rate payers are on the hook for any of these projects prior to their being built. Transmission projects in Colorado or gasification projects in Iowa, or anywhere else for that matter.
Help me out here with some links or something
Also today, FERC approved rate incentives for Desert Southwest Power's proposed 118-mile, 500-kV transmission line to move power from resources such as wind generation to Southern California. The order grants a combined incentive ROE adder of 150 basis points, rather than the 200 basis points that Desert Southwest requested. The order also grants Desert Southwest's requests for inclusion of 100 percent CWIP in rate base, the opportunity to recover 100 percent of prudently incurred costs if the project is abandoned for reasons outside the company's control and a hypothetical capital structure of 50 percent equity and 50 percent debt.
http://www.ferc.gov/media/news-releases/2011/2011-2/05-19-11-E-1.asp
Also
http://www.aep.com/about/IssuesAndPositions/Financial/Regulatory/AlternativeRegulation/CWIP.aspx
madokie
(51,076 posts)bananas
(27,509 posts)There was no reason to ban it before then because it had been used responsibly.
In the 2000's, nuclear industry lobbyists corrupted the political system to get those bans repealed.
In some states they were succesful, in other states they weren't.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)In energy, Construction Work In Progress (CWIP) is a legal and regulatory arrangement where, because the capital costs are so high and the fundamental economics so poor, nuclear plants are allowed to charge and collect up-front for everything.
Other generation is built almost exclusively within various economic arrangements that do not pose any similar type of risk for the ratepayer - nothing is payed until and unless it is for power actually generated.
This same practice has traditionally generated huge losses paid that have been for by taxpayers and ratepayers.
madokie
(51,076 posts)If nuclear had to play on a level playing field there would be very few if any nuclear power plants today
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup