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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:23 AM Feb 2012

"Another one bites the dust!": Progress Energy may cancel two new AP1000s targeted at Levy, Florida

http://www.beyondnuclear.org/home/2012/1/27/another-one-bites-the-dust-progress-energy-may-cancel-two-ne.html

"Another one bites the dust!": Progress Energy may cancel two new AP1000s targeted at Levy, Florida

January 27, 2012

As reported by the Tampa Bay Times, Progess Energy has announced an indefinite suspension of the construction plans for two Toshiba-Westinghouse so-called "Advanced Passive 1000" (AP1000) atomic reactors targeted at the greenfield (no old reactors already there) site at Levy, Florida. That's the good news. The bad news is that Florida ratepayers are nonetheless locked into paying "advance" charges for the new reactors on their electricity bills month after month for years to come, even though the reactors may never get built. Such "Construction Work in Progress" charges are illegal in most states, although have been made legal in such states as Florida, South Carolina, and Georgia in an effort to grease the skids for new atomic reactor proposals, at ratepayer expense.

By the end of last year, Progress Energy's 1.6 million Florida ratepayers had already made $545 million in "advance" payments on their electricity bills toward the Levy new reactors, or an average of about $340 per person. Progress Energy fully intends to extract yet another $555 million from its ratepayers in the years ahead, or another $350 per person, whether or not the reactors actually get built and fired up.

The Levy new reactors have been a case study in cost overruns. As the article reports, Progress Energy first estimated in 2006 that a single AP1000 would cost as little as $4 billion. The very next year, the projected price tag had jumped to $10 billion per reactor. A year after that, Progress added a second new reactor to the proposal, and estimated the cost at a total of $17 billion. But last year, the price projection had reached $22 billion for the twin AP1000s.

The project has also been a case study in schedule delays. In 2006, Progress said its new reactor would fire up in 2016. By 2009, Progress admitted the opening date had slipped two years into the future, to 2018. By 2010, the opening date had retreated yet further, to 2021. Progress is now admitting that the project won't open till 2027, if at all.

Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer at Fairewinds Associates in Vermont and expert witness for an environmental coalition opposed to new AP1000s targeted throughout the Southeast, was quoted as saying "It's a dramatic strategy change (by Progress)...Now, it looks like they're retreating." Gundersen has identified a major safety flaw in the AP1000's supposedly "advanced, passive" design, which could actively pump hazardous radioactivity into the environment during an accident (see graphic, above).

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"Another one bites the dust!": Progress Energy may cancel two new AP1000s targeted at Levy, Florida (Original Post) bananas Feb 2012 OP
Debunked wtmusic Feb 2012 #1
Wow - you call that "debunked"? bananas Feb 2012 #2
Yes wtmusic Feb 2012 #3
Imagine if I told my parents: waddirum Feb 2012 #6
K&R and bookmarked jpak Feb 2012 #4
This really sucks and should not be legal... Why is any Floridian pre-paying for glowing Feb 2012 #5
Just anouther nuclear money pit. Fledermaus Feb 2012 #7
LOL, Gen III+ is so hilarious. joshcryer Feb 2012 #8
Agreed. Gen 4 and SMRs will make them instantly obsolete. txlibdem Feb 2012 #10
(Florida) Legislators clash over what to do about paying for nuclear plants kristopher Feb 2012 #9
the nation should be watching this very closely 4dsc Feb 2012 #11

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
1. Debunked
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:07 PM
Feb 2012

"Did Progress cancel its Levy County, Florida reactors?

The short answer is no, Progress Energy did not cancel its EPC contract for the reactors, but for a few days things were looking pretty dicey. On Jan 25 the Tampa Bay Times headlined that Progress Energy was looking to cancel the main construction contract to build two 1,100 MW Westinghouse AP1000 reactors. The news came out of nowhere and caught many people who follow the industry by complete surprise.

Progress Energy's decision not to comment on the newspaper's report that it planned to cancel the main engineering, procurement, and construction (EPC) contract added to the confusion. Clamming up just didn't seem like a very good idea.

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Two days later Progress formally denied that it plans to cancel construction of the reactors or its contract with The Shaw Group for the $20 billion project. A previously reticent Progress spokesperson now said the 2009 contract with The Shaw Group is still in place. The company also said that the revised estimate of costs of the project, and requests for rate adjustments, would take place in 2013 which is when the firm expects to get its combined construction and operating licenses for the two reactors from the NRC."

http://theenergycollective.com/dan-yurman/75698/two-fast-moving-stories-surprising-twists

bananas

(27,509 posts)
2. Wow - you call that "debunked"?
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:33 PM
Feb 2012

The article I posted says they're considering canceling some contracts,
the article you posted says they haven't made a decision yet.

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
3. Yes
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:57 PM
Feb 2012

"J.R. Kelly said cancelling the EPC contract would not kill the reactors. In fact, he'd prefer to see Progress get its license, evaluate its costs, and then come back to the rate payers for funds, and not before. Progress has said it plans to complete the two reactors by 2021."

waddirum

(979 posts)
6. Imagine if I told my parents:
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 03:16 PM
Feb 2012

"I'm dropping out of college, but this in no way affects my overall decision to become a surgeon. I just prefer to organize my library, smoke some weed, and do some meditating first."

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
5. This really sucks and should not be legal... Why is any Floridian pre-paying for
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 03:08 PM
Feb 2012

electricity that they may never use? I wish there was some sort of law suit in the works for this... Its pure theft. When is the last time any nuclear power plant has been approved to be built? AND with all the sun we have down here, it is so much cheaper and practical to build a solar plant or devise an energy grid off of people's roofs.. Oh, but then that may actually mean less profit off of pure theft. One solar plant that would provide as much power as 1 nuclear power plant is projected at 500 million in cost... But then how could all the thieving bastards make the billions off of a nuclear plant or the "maybe we'll build one, pure profit in the bank"?

This effects me and my family.. and free market, my ass. I can only get one electric company to service my electrical needs... There is NO free market; its a monopoly. Power should be a govt run entity; at least then, they could use tax money to change over to renewable energy sources, find creative manners in which to power a grid like installing solar panels on "sun states", and do so in a cost effective manner... And in times of recession and multiple families facing financial problems, the govt, could waive the fees for the usage (poverty threshold--free), as it is now, they have the energy help programs... meaning tax money going directly into the pockets of big business to help out poor people. Disgusting the whole criminal enterprise. Some things like providing power and water should NOT be in the private market. It is in the best interest of the public for these items to remain controlled by the public, i.e., the govt.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
9. (Florida) Legislators clash over what to do about paying for nuclear plants
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 07:26 PM
Feb 2012
Legislators clash over what to do about paying for nuclear plants
By Ivan Penn, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Saturday, February 4, 2012


TALLAHASSEE — Hoping the state would find out how Progress Energy botched an upgrade to a nuclear power plant that may never reopen?

Hoping to stop paying in advance for another nuclear plant that may never get built?

Don't count on it.

Senate Majority Leader Andy Gardiner told the Tampa Bay Times the Energy Committee, which he heads, would not hold hearings into the events that continue to keep the Crystal River plant off line.

Gardiner also said ...


http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/legislature/legislators-clash-over-what-to-do-about-paying-for-nuclear-plants/1213935
 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
11. the nation should be watching this very closely
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 09:34 AM
Feb 2012

Here in Iowa, MidAmerica is trying to sell a nuclear reactor to the people and make their ratepayers pay in advance just like Progress Energy.

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