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Fledermaus

(1,506 posts)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 08:50 PM Feb 2012

Tokyo Electric Power injected boric acid into unit 2 early this morning to prevent criticality.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said the temperature of the No. 2 reactor at its damaged Fukushima nuclear plant has risen and it injected boric acid into the unit early this morning to prevent criticality.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-06/tepco-injects-boric-acid-into-fukushima-no-2-reactor.html

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Tokyo Electric Power injected boric acid into unit 2 early this morning to prevent criticality. (Original Post) Fledermaus Feb 2012 OP
The good news is that the temperatures on that one high gauge are dropping Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #1
We were told that the reactors were in cold shutdown. Fledermaus Feb 2012 #2
Actually, they are. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #4
I see. So "cold shutdown" is just verbal gymnastics Fledermaus Feb 2012 #6
Not a bit. The gymnastics are all yours. FBaggins Feb 2012 #7
No and no. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #8
WRONG AGAIN!! PamW Feb 2012 #15
WRONG - unscientific - borate cannot be used to prevent criticality jpak Feb 2012 #3
?? kristopher Feb 2012 #5
An inside joke - sheesh jpak Feb 2012 #10
Can you link to that thread? FBaggins Feb 2012 #13
I get it madokie Feb 2012 #14
Really? Throckmorton Feb 2012 #9
Hi Throck - see the above jpak Feb 2012 #11
I've just twigged... Dead_Parrot Feb 2012 #12

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
1. The good news is that the temperatures on that one high gauge are dropping
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 10:13 PM
Feb 2012

But they increased the water flow to 13.5 cubic meters an hour to do it.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-07/tepco-injects-boric-acid-into-fukushima-no-2-reactor-as-temperature-rises.html

That's a later, more complete article. Presumably the water is now getting to the hot spot.

Fledermaus

(1,506 posts)
6. I see. So "cold shutdown" is just verbal gymnastics
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:31 PM
Feb 2012

and in reality the reactors can jump to criticality at any time.

FBaggins

(26,744 posts)
7. Not a bit. The gymnastics are all yours.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 02:56 PM
Feb 2012

The term has both an existing definition and one that has been legally created for these reactors. Just because you don't know what they are doesn't mean that you get to invent your own.

in reality the reactors can jump to criticality at any time.

Lol. So you're saying that you read that they were using a material that could avoid recriticality as proof that criticality had already occured and they were actually trying to stop it... right?

PamW

(1,825 posts)
15. WRONG AGAIN!!
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 10:43 AM
Feb 2012

and in reality the reactors can jump to criticality at any time.
=================================

WRONG! A nuclear reactor can no more "jump to criticality at any time" than your car's engine can start at any time.

For Heaven's sake; these things obey the Laws of Physics. Macroscopic effects just don't "happen" spontaneously.

Learn what the terms means, so that you won't be so confused and misinterpret reports.

PamW


jpak

(41,758 posts)
10. An inside joke - sheesh
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:06 AM
Feb 2012

During the Fukushima crisis we were told by a "nuclear physicist" that borated water could not be used for this purpose.

FBaggins

(26,744 posts)
13. Can you link to that thread?
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 07:15 AM
Feb 2012

The only one I can find shows a handful of posters who confused fission and decay heat. At least one claimed (and others defended) that the borated water was being used to stop an ongoing fissioning (essentially that they were having trouble shutting down the reactor). The nuclear physicist (no scare quotes needed) correctly told the poster that this was incorrect. It's used to prevent recriticality, that the reactors already were shut down.

You weren't told that it could not be used for that purpose, you were told that that was not why they were using it. That thread is really an excellent example of the time immediately after the emergency began where a number of posters here still didn't understand the difference between fission and decay.

Throckmorton

(3,579 posts)
9. Really?
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 08:15 PM
Feb 2012

I'll have to run that one by my Reactor Engineering Buds in the AM. I could have sworn that Boron-10 was a neutron absorber, and could be used to maintain a Keffective of less than 1.

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