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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:09 AM Dec 2013

Why climate skeptics and evolution deniers joined forces

http://grist.org/climate-energy/why-climate-change-skeptics-and-evolution-deniers-joined-forces/

All across the country — most recently, in the state of Texas — local battles over the teaching of evolution are taking on a new complexion. More and more, it isn’t just evolution under attack, it’s also the teaching of climate science. The National Center for Science Education, the leading group defending the teaching of evolution across the country, has even broadened its portfolio: Now, it protects climate education too.

How did these issues get wrapped up together? On its face, there isn’t a clear reason — other than a marriage of convenience — why attacks on evolution and attacks on climate change ought to travel side by side. After all, we know why people deny evolution: Religion, especially the fundamentalist kind. And we know why people deny global warming: Free market ideology and libertarianism. These are not, last I checked, the same thing. (If anything, libertarians may be the most religiously skeptical group on the political right.)

And yet clearly there’s a relationship between the two issue stances. If you’re in doubt, watch this Climate Desk video of a number of members of Congress citing religion in the context of questioning global warming:

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Why climate skeptics and evolution deniers joined forces (Original Post) xchrom Dec 2013 OP
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Dec 2013 #1
The NCSE, as always, is leading the way. longship Dec 2013 #2
The scary part for me is the graph caraher Dec 2013 #3
So there's only one way to get rid of the denial FiveGoodMen Dec 2013 #4
That isn't exclusive to climate change kristopher Dec 2013 #6
Unless more science comprehension can also decrease religiosity muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #7
good point caraher Dec 2013 #8
Fundamentalist Christian belief defines a specific ability among a group of people kristopher Dec 2013 #5
True - not bugs, but features. hatrack Dec 2013 #9
that's the unholy tripod--interest, institution, ideology MisterP Dec 2013 #10

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. The NCSE, as always, is leading the way.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 12:05 PM
Dec 2013

And their 27 year executive director, Eugenie Scott is retiring. Here she is speaking on this very issue.



She will be missed. But she's staying on as a board member.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
3. The scary part for me is the graph
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 01:33 PM
Dec 2013

From Dan Kahan's research:

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I'm still not sure what to make of this, but my initial reaction is that science comprehension (according to whatever metric Kahan uses) is of no help in getting the public to accept the problem. It seems to have no measureable effect on the less religious and a negative effect on the more religious.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
6. That isn't exclusive to climate change
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 07:54 PM
Dec 2013

See "Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies"

Large-scale surveys show dramatic declines in religiosity in favor of secularization in the developed democracies. Popular acceptance of evolutionary science correlates negatively with levels of religiosity, and the United States is the only prosperous nation where the majority absolutely believes in a creator and evolutionary science is unpopular. Abundant data is available on rates of societal dysfunction and health in the first world. Cross-national comparisons of highly differing rates of religiosity and societal conditions form a mass epidemiological experiment that can be used to test whether high rates of belief in and worship of a creator are necessary for high levels of social health. Data correlations show that in almost all regards the highly secular democracies consistently enjoy low rates of societal dysfunction, while pro-religious and anti-evolution America performs poorly.


http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.pdf

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
7. Unless more science comprehension can also decrease religiosity
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:20 AM
Dec 2013

which is possible - the understanding of evolution, for instance, removes the argument "some entity must have created humans and all the biological diversity we see".

caraher

(6,278 posts)
8. good point
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 11:41 AM
Dec 2013

Of course, that possibility can't be spoken too loudly... science education is in a precarious enough position already!

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
5. Fundamentalist Christian belief defines a specific ability among a group of people
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 07:48 PM
Dec 2013

1) They have been "trained" in a wide variety of mechanisms designed specifically to defuse cognitive dissonance without giving up cherished beliefs.

2) The congregation serves to establish a normative value set, and when leaders within these Fundamentalist Christian groups adopt a politically or economically oriented position, #1 enables that position to be accepted by nearly all of the group.

In other words this isn't odd - it is expected.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
10. that's the unholy tripod--interest, institution, ideology
Thu Dec 5, 2013, 05:19 PM
Dec 2013

giving us three roads of analysis: rational-actor, structuralist, and subjectivist
#thesistime

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