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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:44 AM Dec 2013

This German glass sphere might revolutionize solar power on Earth

German architect André Broessel, of Rawlemon, has looked into his crystal ball and seen the future of renewable energy. In this case it’s a spherical sun-tracking solar energy-generating globe — essentially a giant glass marble on a robotic steel frame. But this marble is no toy. It concentrates both sunlight and moonlight up to 10,000 times — making its solar harvesting capabilities 35 percent more efficient than conventional dual-axis photovoltaic designs.

André Broessel was a finalist in the World Technology Network Award 2013 with the globe’s design and afterward produced this latest version, called Betaray, which can concentrate diffuse light such as that from a cloudy day.

Let me repeat that. This is 35% more efficient than current solar panels and is able to operate on cloudy days. It concentrates light by 10,000 times. The second video has slightly better film of it, but it is in spanish. The first video is in english.


video at link

http://themindunleashed.org/2013/12/glass-sphere-might-revolutionize-solar-power-earth.html

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This German glass sphere might revolutionize solar power on Earth (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 OP
Color me skeptical. More art there than science. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #1
I do think its architecturally interesting and Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #3
Fascinating! Demeter Dec 2013 #2
Nice industrial design... PamW Dec 2013 #4
Concentration made sense when industry standard efficiencies were in the 10-25% range... They're NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #5
Architect's delight kristopher Dec 2013 #6
That's my take, too, kristopher. NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #7
Wow. What a discovery and boon to solar energy. n/t truedelphi Dec 2013 #8
Oh god, not the "energy from moonlight" bull again NickB79 Dec 2013 #9
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. Color me skeptical. More art there than science.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:59 AM
Dec 2013

First of all, nothing shown in either video addresses thermal management. You concentrate light 10,000 time and you will lose that 35% efficiency gain in a hurry. In fact, you'll cook the photovoltaic cells.

It makes a hell of a solar cooker.

I'll give it that much!

And it's pretty.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
3. I do think its architecturally interesting and
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:21 AM
Dec 2013

could be integrated into building design along with solar panels.

it seems that on his facebook page they have worked out not cooking the solar cell in it.
We shall see.

PamW

(1,825 posts)
4. Nice industrial design...
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:41 AM
Dec 2013

It looks nice.

However, be mindful ( many solar proponents aren't ) of the fact that concentrating sunlight doesn't get you more energy. It just puts the same amount in a smaller spot.

You can't "make" energy.

When you played with a magnifying glass as a kid, you got a very hot spot. However, did you notice that the hot spot was surrounded by a shadow? That's where the energy that got concentrated into the spot would have gone.

So concentrators don't make additional energy, they just concentrate the energy there is into a smaller area.

I know that is really basic; but I've run across solar proponents that think that concentrating the sunlight actually gives you more energy overall, which it doesn't.

PamW

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. Concentration made sense when industry standard efficiencies were in the 10-25% range... They're
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 10:58 AM
Dec 2013

One could thus afford more costly modules and bring more light to them.

I saw a CPV tracking array at the airport in Mojave aka "Mojave Air and Space Port".

These were made by a company called Greenvolts, now out of business:

http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/Update-GreenVolts-CPV-Systems-Maker-Selling-Assets

There are still some viable CPV companies.

Below is a picture of some Greenvolts trackers. Note the heat sinks on backside.





kristopher

(29,798 posts)
6. Architect's delight
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:21 AM
Dec 2013

...in blending intriguing form with function. That's the goal of the design as I understand it. When there is a high value assigned to pulling the eye and mind into questioning the purpose of an object, it might not seem rational if evaluated by the traditional view of optimal cost benefit determined performance.

I like it just because.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
7. That's my take, too, kristopher.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 12:26 PM
Dec 2013

And it's fascinating to read people's comments on their facebook page and elsewhere.

They're ready to throw money at the project and invest, yet none of it is worked out and, really, the claims defy science.

Where's the thermal management? What does this thing weigh? And, of course, the claims are incredible.

The specs don't even make sense:

NickB79

(19,274 posts)
9. Oh god, not the "energy from moonlight" bull again
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:53 PM
Dec 2013

This has been rehashed multiple times here on E/E, and while the idea of concentrating solar energy is nothing new, the idea you could get any kind of appreciable energy from MOONLIGHT is absurd.

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