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madokie

(51,076 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 09:29 PM Jan 2014

Scientists turn table salt into forbidden compounds that violate textbook rules

In the field of exotic new materials, we've examined one of the strongest ones and another declared to be impossible; scientists now report creating "forbidden" materials out of ordinary table salt that violate classical rules of chemistry. Not only does the development challenge the theoretical foundation of chemistry, but it is also expected to lead to the discovery of new exotic chemical compounds with practical uses and shed light on the deep interiors of planets.

The international team of researchers led by Artem R. Oganov, a Professor of Crystallography at Stony Brook University, predicted that taking table salt and subjecting it to high pressure in the presence of an excess of one of its constituents (either chlorine or sodium) would lead to the formation of totally unexpected compounds. In spite of salt being one of the most thoroughly studied chemical compounds out there, the researchers predicted the formation of compounds forbidden by classical chemistry, such as Na3Cl and NaCl3. Their predictions were proven by subsequent experiments.

"Sodium has one electron in its outermost shell, and chlorine has seven," Weiwei Zhang, the lead author, a Professor of Physics at China Agricultural University and visiting scholar at Oganov's lab, tells Gizmag. "When sodium meets chlorine, sodium would like to give away an electron and chlorine wants to take one according to the Octet rule. Since one Na can supply only one electron to one Cl, the only possible combination of these atoms in a compound is 1:1, rocksalt NaCl. Take NaCl3 as an example, when you try to satisfy three Cl by one Na, there is no way to distribute electrons according to this rule. So NaCl3 is forbidden in the classical frame of chemistry."

In addition to NaCl3, the team has predicted other new "crazy" compounds, such as NaCl7, Na3Cl2, Na2Cl, and Na3Cl, based on a sophisticated algorithm developed by Oganov and his students involving quantum-mechanical calculations. The experiment verified their prediction that these exotic materials would be thermodynamically stable at high pressures. Their research opens up the way to successfully create and stabilize a huge number of compounds previously considered to be forbidden.

Link: http://www.gizmag.com/scientists-create-forbidden-compounds-table-salt/30520/

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Scientists turn table salt into forbidden compounds that violate textbook rules (Original Post) madokie Jan 2014 OP
Can transparent aluminum be far behind? John1956PA Jan 2014 #1
Sometimes it seems that everything thinkable has been thought madokie Jan 2014 #2
My interest in learning about scientific frontiers waned when I learned about death star galaxies. John1956PA Jan 2014 #3
Synthetic sapphire is also "transparent aluminum" cprise Jan 2014 #6
Awesome! Let's open up yet another chemical Pandora's Box! kestrel91316 Jan 2014 #4
I3- is commonplace and Br3- is well known; Cl3- is not entirely new, either. eppur_se_muova Jan 2014 #5

John1956PA

(2,657 posts)
1. Can transparent aluminum be far behind?
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 10:13 PM
Jan 2014
Scientists at Oxford University have created a substance once only reserved for science fiction — Star Trek IV-like transparent aluminum. It takes a serious laser and there's kind of a catch, but just imagine it, invisible cars!

The process starts with a soft X-Ray laser capable of 10 billion times the previous output of radiation, focused on a spot of regular old aluminum 1/20th the diameter of a human hair. A blast from the laser knocks out a key electron from the aluminum atom and renders the substance transparent. Though it hasn't been named yet, this is being considered a new state of matter with important implications for planetary study and the future of nuclear fusion.

. . .


More at http://jalopnik.com/5324585/see+through-aluminum-to-herald-in-new-age-of-invisible-cars

madokie

(51,076 posts)
2. Sometimes it seems that everything thinkable has been thought
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 10:42 PM
Jan 2014

everything discoverable has been discovered but as these show we've only scratched the surface of what can be.
The thing about knowledge is the more one gains the more capacity one has to learn even more.

My regret is I'm getting old and won't be around to see much more

John1956PA

(2,657 posts)
3. My interest in learning about scientific frontiers waned when I learned about death star galaxies.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:19 PM
Jan 2014

About seven years ago, NASA discovered a death-star galaxy which it named 3c321. The galaxy has near its center a black hole which emits a relatively focused stream of photons. The photo stream (which is also referred to as "jet beam" and "death ray&quot happens to be trained upon a smaller neighboring galaxy which co-orbits with 3c321. It is thought that the effect of the photon beam is that all life on the planets in the smaller galaxy is being destroyed. Attempting to comprehend destruction of life on such a galactic level is overwhelming.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
6. Synthetic sapphire is also "transparent aluminum"
Sun Jan 26, 2014, 03:32 AM
Jan 2014

Or aluminum oxide, which is the second-hardest substance after diamond.

ASUS had a line of desktop monitors a few years back with nearly indestructible sapphire display surfaces.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=AAdku9YhSCI#t=92

Apple plans to use the material in upcoming products: http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/08/why-apple-bought-578m-worth-of-sapphire-in-advance/

eppur_se_muova

(36,299 posts)
5. I3- is commonplace and Br3- is well known; Cl3- is not entirely new, either.
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 03:43 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sat Jan 25, 2014, 04:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Interesting work, but the reportage is overblown. None of these compounds was ever "forbidden", just not necessarily isolable under "normal" conditions (STP, air, water present).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervalent_molecule
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribromide

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