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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 06:55 AM Jun 2014

America’s dirty secret

http://www.macleans.ca/authors/luiza-ch-savage/america-plans-to-ship-coal-supplies-to-china/



Workers unload coal at a storage site along a railway station in Shenyang, northeast China’s Liaoning province September 11, 2007

America’s dirty secret
Luiza Ch. Savage
June 10, 2014

The centrepiece of Barack Obama’s climate policy, announced this month, limits greenhouse gas emissions from U.S. power plants largely by cutting the country’s reliance on coal. The policy was touted as a major piece of the President’s environmental legacy but it raised an important question: what will happen to America’s coal—the largest recoverable reserves in the world?

It’s a question that could soon have an answer. With coal demand at home expected to fall by 20 per cent due to new regulations, and competitive pressure from low-priced natural gas, coal companies are now pushing to increase exports to Asia. China in particular consumes almost half of the world’s coal—and in recent years demand has soared. Three new coal-export ports are being proposed for the Pacific coast: two in Washington state and one in Oregon. They could eventually ship up to 100 million tons of coal per year—an amount equivalent to the total volume of coal the U.S. will export this year, according to the U.S. Energy Information Agency (EIA). “We view the Northwest port terminals as advantageous locations for exports to Asia—the most efficient location for exporting to countries that are going to be generating strong demand for coal,” says Nancy Gravatt, a spokeswoman for the National Mining Association, the U.S. industry group. Top Asian destinations are China, South Korea, India and Japan.

U.S. coal exports have already been growing, from five per cent of production in 2000 to 12 per cent in 2013, or 118 million tons, according to the EIA. Environmentalists warn that emissions from that volume of coal would dwarf the savings from Obama’s new power plant rule. They won’t count toward America’s national tally, but they’ll enter the global atmosphere all the same. Kelly Mitchell, a coal campaigner for the environmental group Greenpeace, says it is “hypocritical” that the Obama administration “can talk a good game on climate and still move forward on coal.”

The port approvals are a state matter, but the Obama administration does have a role to play in shaping the fate of coal exports. That’s because the coal that would go through the new ports would come from Wyoming’s Powder River Basin, where 80 per cent of the coal resource is owned by the federal government. The basin produces some 400 million tons of coal per year.
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freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
3. Yes, as well as world air.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 08:31 AM
Jun 2014

Part of the problem is air pollution in China. I hear it's so bad that at times you can't see across the street. I heard of a man sending his son away to a place where he could get some clean air to grow on.

But this power plant rule is an effort to control the emission of greenhouse gases. The effect of greenhouse gas emission is worldwide; burning coal in China has the same effect on worldwide atmospheric CO2 as does burning coal in the US. And it's worldwide atmospheric CO2 that causes climate change.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
5. You can't see the sun
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 09:14 AM
Jun 2014

I've gone to China for work before. You can look directly at the sun in the middle of the day and not be sure its the sun and it won't hurt your eyes, because the smog is so thick. I thought maybe it was the moon when I first saw it. Air quality is piss poor over there. I'm sure they all have bad respiratory issues. My asthma was killing me.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
8. Glad to hear the Obama administration has authority over much of the Powder River Basin.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:18 AM
Jun 2014

We can rest assured it is staying in the ground and if we elect HRC, we can offer it the same protection for four more.

burfman

(264 posts)
10. The future for China is going toward wind not coal - they are not stupid.....
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:47 AM
Jun 2014

China currently has more wind power than the US and they seem to be building and installing them faster than us.

Even if we offer to sell our coal to them, what do they want with it, they have to breath too....

Maybe we should be selling things to China that they actually need so we can pay for the stuff that WallMart stocks their shelves with.


Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_China

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
11. China is growing ALL of it's energy sources
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jun 2014

Yes, they're installing wind faster than anyone else, as well as solar.

But they're also building nuclear faster than anyone else and STILL building brand-new coal-fired plants faster than anyone else.

They're also exploring their own unconventional gas reserves, in the hope that they can start fracking just like the US

And the Chinese apparently think they have the solution to how to burn coal AND keep the Chinese people from revolting over edible air: http://insideclimatenews.org/news/20140213/chinas-plan-clean-air-cities-will-doom-climate-scientists-say

China is erecting huge industrial complexes in remote areas to convert coal to synthetic fuel that could make the air in its megacities cleaner. But the complexes use so much energy that the carbon footprint of the fuel is almost double that of conventional coal and oil, spelling disaster for earth's climate, a growing chorus of scientists is warning.
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