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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 06:37 AM Aug 2014

Archaeologists piece together evidence of bloody apocalypse in 12th century America

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/05/archaeologists-piece-together-evidence-of-bloody-apocalypse-in-12th-century-america/



Archaeologists piece together evidence of bloody apocalypse in 12th century America
By David Ferguson
Tuesday, August 5, 2014 9:07 EDT

After building a thriving society over centuries, one Native American society in the 12th century underwent a violent collapse that left the southwestern region of what is now the U.S. virtually depopulated.

According to a report from WSU, the years between 1140 and 1180 A.D. were the bloodiest per capita years on North American soil, with an astonishing nine of ten corpses exhumed from the era showing signs of death by traumatic injuries to the head and arms.

“If we’re identifying that much trauma, many were dying a violent death,” said lead author Tim Kohler.

“The central Mesa Verde and the northern Rio Grande regions housed two of the densest populations of prehispanic Pueblo peoples in the North American Southwest,” wrote the study authors in the journal American Antiquity. “We plot incidence of violent trauma on human bone through time in each region. Such violence peaked in the mid-A.D. 1100s in the central Mesa Verde, and in general was higher through time there than in the northern Rio Grande region.”
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Archaeologists piece together evidence of bloody apocalypse in 12th century America (Original Post) unhappycamper Aug 2014 OP
Posted a link to this thread in Anthropology group n/t intaglio Aug 2014 #1
We can deal with climate change peacefully or violently. hunter Aug 2014 #2
we should be starting new cities, from the ground up. mopinko Aug 2014 #5
Greensburg Kansas comes to mind madokie Aug 2014 #10
when your house is the one blown down mopinko Aug 2014 #14
Greensburg Kansas is a Green community now madokie Aug 2014 #15
do we even need to ask ? phantom power Aug 2014 #11
So much for Rousseau and his Noble Savages... GliderGuider Aug 2014 #3
my son used to tell me it was too bad we didnt evolve from gorillas instead of chimps. mopinko Aug 2014 #6
Give us another couple of hundred thousand years and we could be a pretty good species GliderGuider Aug 2014 #7
really, we could do it in a generation mopinko Aug 2014 #8
Don't really have to hope for that The2ndWheel Aug 2014 #12
i dont. i know that it is not most people. mopinko Aug 2014 #13
Agree AuntPatsy Aug 2014 #16
Yeah. The Ashoka moment keeps recurring because we keep doing it. Yo_Mama Aug 2014 #17
More myths get shattered 4now Aug 2014 #4
Yep! emsimon33 Aug 2014 #9

hunter

(38,322 posts)
2. We can deal with climate change peacefully or violently.
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 11:09 AM
Aug 2014

We ought to be building into our political process (right fucking now!) mechanisms of graceful retreat; ways of gently relocating people who are forced to abandon places that are no longer inhabitable for such reasons as sea level rise, drought, or deadly heat and humidity. Otherwise we'll end up with mobs of climate change refugees shooting at one another until nothing good is left.

This sort of social collapse seems to be happening now in so many places around the world.

I'm not certain the U.S.A. as it exists today is capable of this kind of cooperative behavior.


mopinko

(70,155 posts)
5. we should be starting new cities, from the ground up.
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 03:10 PM
Aug 2014

hi tech and energy efficient. if we build it, they will come.
but you are prolly right. we wont build it until it is too late. then it will be built by capitalists, with little thought to how we got into this pickle.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
10. Greensburg Kansas comes to mind
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 07:06 AM
Aug 2014

After the devastating tornado they came back bolder and greener than ever
The people pulled together to make it happen too

mopinko

(70,155 posts)
14. when your house is the one blown down
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 10:55 AM
Aug 2014

you have to at least start from the premise that there is something going on. how the human mind works.
let's hope more of those directly affected see the same light. and shine it for the rest of us.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
15. Greensburg Kansas is a Green community now
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 11:59 AM
Aug 2014

I don't have time to look it up right now, (ripping up flooring to replace it and taking a breather to take some meds and came here to see what I was missing but I'm sure there are many links

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
3. So much for Rousseau and his Noble Savages...
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 11:15 AM
Aug 2014

Apparently, humans have always been a violent species. We seem to behave much more like Pan troglodytes than Pan paniscus, as much as we hippies wanted everyone to be more like bonobos.

mopinko

(70,155 posts)
6. my son used to tell me it was too bad we didnt evolve from gorillas instead of chimps.
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 03:12 PM
Aug 2014

but, of course, it was our violent nature that lifted us up the evolutionary ladder.
and it has served us well. our only hope is to evolve.

mopinko

(70,155 posts)
8. really, we could do it in a generation
Wed Aug 6, 2014, 07:30 PM
Aug 2014

its not that we cant behave this way. i think there are just too many kids who dont get a chance to reach their full human potential. if every pregnant woman was just well fed, and lived in a peaceful home, we would raise peaceful children.
end domestic violence, and we will bloom as a species.

mopinko

(70,155 posts)
13. i dont. i know that it is not most people.
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 10:53 AM
Aug 2014

and i also know that i am right about individual development, and ending domestic violence, tho impossible to do completely, would bring about a new world.

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