More that a touch depressing, but, alas, RIGHT ON. We ARE headed for the perfect storm, which is something I've been thinking and worrying about for years. I mean it's NOT that I've any bit of prescience, but come on....to believe in, and to argue for, infinite growth, in what is, OBVIOUSLY, a finite system is a logical absurdity. And it sure didn't take a PhD to figure THAT out! Ms Bigmack

One good platitude deserves another.

Do be do be do...

What happens after the collapse? We pick ourselves up, and start all over?

Short of nuclear armageddon, there's nothing that threatens on a time scale short enough to suggest a collapse. It likely will get very ugly. The poor will suffer, and many will die. The rich will be ok.

Kinda like it's always been.

Many people don't realize that's the way it's always been. A lot of people think we've always been able to drive to Denny's. And that we've always worked in offices filling in Excel spreadsheets, and have never had to walk 5 miles to get drinking water. Plus they think our current state of affairs is some kind of divine right, no matter what we do to the planet.

You, Kolesar and the rest of us on here may understand just how insane such a world-view is, but most people out there don't. They are the ones that articles like this are trying to reach.

That's from the pdf

[div class="excerpt" style="border:solid 1px #000000"]We have a dream – a world without poverty – a world that is equitable – a world that respects human rights – a world with increased and improved ethical behavior regarding poverty and natural resources - a world that is environmentally, socially and economically sustainable, where the challenges such as climate change, loss of biodiversity and social inequity have been successfully addressed. This is an achievable dream, but the current system is deeply flawed and our current pathway will not realise it.
The dream is good and noble, but of course it's not universally shared - especially by the Power Elite and the 99% of the world's people they have co-opted into their malignant worldview. A lot depends on whether we can get civilization off its current path in the face of their opposition. While keeping the dream in mind, we should never succumb to either optimism or despair.

Sheesh. Disregard everything in this reply except the off topic part. I need to go out for a walk.


But before I go I want to pass on one thing that I tried posting elsewhere, to no response. And it's the gist of what the founder of the whole global warming movement has to say. The math/physics phd who has compiled the info-

Think of global warming like a fever. To those who say that temperature swings are normal. Think of having a two degree fever. You're sick. Think of 4 degrees. You're dead.

edit- ok, I just found that e/e posts do show up on the greatest page. They don't show up on the most recommended page.


Well, this turned out to be a fucked up reply. I'm still unhappy with DU, even if the e/e posts do show up on one of the pages.