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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:02 AM Sep 2014

Diablo Canyon Nuclear Reactor on FIVE Earthquake Fault Lines! How Can We Shut It Down?

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Diablo-Canyon-Nuclear-Reac-by-Joan-Brunwasser-Activist_Chernobyl_Diablo-Canyon_Earthquake-140919-582.html

Diablo Canyon Nuclear Reactor on FIVE Earthquake Fault Lines! How Can We Shut It Down?
By Joan Brunwasser
Life Arts 9/19/2014 at 16:55:32

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JB: There are many readers out there who are not up to date on this whole topic. Let's pause for a bit of backstory. The Diablo Canyon nuclear facility is in California on one of the earthquake fault lines, correct? Has that fact been known from the get-go?

HW: Diablo is surrounded by FIVE earthquake faults that we know of. Any one of them could level the place. A major one---the Hosgri---was discovered while they were building the reactors. But they never fully retrofitted to account for it. Since then three more have been found. And there's always been the San Andreas, just 45 miles away, half the distance that the one that destroyed Fukushima was from the one that destroyed those reactors there.

JB: Yikes - five fault lines? Why and how were they able to go ahead and build when at least some of these were known and acknowledged? Wasn't that extremely foolhardy? Weren't there other, less dangerous potential sites for the reactor? What they did sounds more like Russian roulette!

HW: Many reactors are built on or near fault line, including Indian Point near New York City. You have to remember the corporations that build these things are not liable for the damage they do. Fukushima has actually become a profit center for Tokyo Electric. They just take government money to clean it up and don't worry about the rest of it because they're protected from liability.
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Diablo Canyon Nuclear Reactor on FIVE Earthquake Fault Lines! How Can We Shut It Down? (Original Post) unhappycamper Sep 2014 OP
The number of fault lines is irrelevant FBaggins Sep 2014 #1
I live 30 miles from Diablo. The thought that a radiation upaloopa Sep 2014 #2
"scares the shit out of me" FBaggins Sep 2014 #3
Nuclear power is dangerous environmentally upaloopa Sep 2014 #5
The fracking gas power plants scare me more. hunter Sep 2014 #4
I'm with you, not too concerned about DCNPP. And, it's a totally different design from Fukushima. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #6

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
1. The number of fault lines is irrelevant
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:44 AM
Sep 2014

What matters is how large the largest estimate quake would be at the plant... and none of the five (or in combination) approaches the design basis for the plant.

Diablo is surrounded by FIVE earthquake faults that we know of. Any one of them could level the place.

Poor Harvey continues to struggle with either reality or honesty (perhaps both). Not only are none of the faults projected as delivering movement that exceeds the plant's design basis... reactors aren't "leveled" even when quakes exceed those levels (as has happened at multiple plants without danger). The design basis is frequently (dishonestly) alluded to as the level at which the plant would have a meltdown... but that simply isn't the case. The design basis is the level of quake the plant is designed to weather without damage (that is... it can return to service after inspection - as the North Anna units did). A quake would have to be significantly beyond the design basis before core damage is predicted.

Since then three more have been found. And there's always been the San Andreas, just 45 miles away, half the distance that the one that destroyed Fukushima was from the one that destroyed those reactors there.

Again with the intentional deception? The earthquake didn't destroy Fukushima... the tsunami that the earthquake caused is what did it (by knocking out the power and all backups). San Andreas isn't the type of fault that causes tsunami. Nor are the other faults in the area.

And even if they had been... Diablo Canton sits 85 feet above sea level.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. I live 30 miles from Diablo. The thought that a radiation
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:47 AM
Sep 2014

leak there would effect San Luis Obispo, Avila, and all the towns along Hwy 101 and eastward scares the shit out of me.
I think we could do without it and substitute with wind and solar. I think we all need to fight against nuclear power generation.

FBaggins

(26,757 posts)
3. "scares the shit out of me"
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 09:25 AM
Sep 2014

That's Wasserman's plan.

Of course... that doesn't make it rational. But he doesn't care.

I think we could do without it and substitute with wind and solar.

California already has to import a large chunk of its power from other states and is already down substantially in low-carbon generation because of the drought (decimating hydro generation) and the shuttering of San Onofre.

As aggressive as California has been at promoting solar and wind... all of the solar/wind installed in the state combined barely added up to the production of San Onofre. So that one decision undid all of that progress. Let's not make the same mistake twice.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
5. Nuclear power is dangerous environmentally
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 06:33 PM
Sep 2014

destructive and we don't need it. To support it is irrational.
I live here and own property here. If a wind farm or solar field or even a coal fired plant is knocked out I am still ok. Not so with nuclear.
To just blow people's concerns off is a stupid position to take. It is the real irrational position.

hunter

(38,326 posts)
4. The fracking gas power plants scare me more.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 12:16 PM
Sep 2014

Climate change, groundwater pollution....

That, and the fact these gas plants are served by pipelines of unknown quality in their ability to withstand earthquakes.

During the Northridge Earthquake my brother lived in the neighborhood where the gas main broke. Of course that was shown on the news repeatedly while we were waiting to hear if he and the rest of our family and friends in Southern California were safe.



Certainly Fukushima is proving to be a huge expensive mess that will take a long time to clean up. But compared to the tsunami catastrophe itself, Fukushima is just a small fraction of the total horror.

I confess I'm a bit of a misanthropist. The explosive growth of wine orchards and upscale housing developments in San Luis Obispo county has done more damage to the natural environment than the power plant at Diablo Canyon ever will.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
6. I'm with you, not too concerned about DCNPP. And, it's a totally different design from Fukushima.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 10:35 PM
Sep 2014

And the growth is killing me.

Have your read the posts and replies supporting Desalination plants to help California?

Do you know what will happen if we ever approve of that?

The entire coast would become Orange County.

No thanks.

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