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Related: About this forumW. Kanawha River ON FUCKING FIRE, WV Legislators Eager For Massive Rollback Of Water Standards
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DEP Secretary Randy Huffman proposed to extend so-called Category A drinking water pollution limits to a local stretch of the Kanawha, saying it could help provide a backup water supply for West Virginia American Waters regional plant on the Elk. Huffmans proposal is part of a DEP water quality standards bill that has come under criticism in the House and Senate from industry groups, who oppose adding drinking water protections to the Kanawha and are hoping to use the bill as a vehicle to eliminate the DEPs statewide application of Category A.
Jason Bostic, a vice president for the West Virginia Coal Association, urged lawmakers at Mondays hearing to fix this defect in West Virginias water quality standards, which he called nothing more than a bureaucratic fantasy. Under the Clean Water Act, waterways are designated for different uses, such as drinking, fishing and contact recreation, such as swimming. Different water quality limits are set based on the designated uses of a particular stream. The designated use for drinking is known as Category A. Those water quality standards are, in turn, used to establish pollution discharge limits the state sets for each business.
For years, state regulators have applied the Category A water pollution standards to almost all streams across the state, except for a few locations with exemptions. One of those is a 72-mile stretch of the Kanawha River from just upstream of Belle through Charleston and on to the Ohio River. Dave Yaussy, a lawyer for the West Virginia Manufacturers Association, said that his group recognizes the importance of protecting public drinking water intakes.
But, Yaussy said, the industry group sees no reason to put Category A limits on businesses on the stretch of the Kanawha in question until the water company actually decides to put a new public drinking water intake there. Also, Yaussy said, the group continues to believe there is no reason to apply Category A limits to streams around the state that dont currently have drinking water intakes located on them. We cannot support the heavy-handed approach of the DEP, Yaussy said. The DEPs proposal costs jobs and money.
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http://www.wvgazette.com/article/20150216/GZ01/150219456/1101
ladjf
(17,320 posts)lastlib
(23,272 posts)If they would have to drink the shit the rest of us have to, MAYBE the idjits would see the sense of protecting the environment. . . . .
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)charles d
(99 posts)Goddamn fools!
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)But treating the waste will create jobs, and the cash will go right back into the community. Plus, there's the added benefit of not shitting where you drink, eat and play.
TRoN33
(769 posts)mountain grammy
(26,644 posts)Obviously all drinkers of bottled water.
niyad
(113,532 posts)Kristin Lems: MUSIC
Cuyahoga River
(Kristin Lems)
January 19, 2005
words and music by Kristin Lems c 2005
1. I've lived upon this river shore since I was very small/
I've watched the seasons turning and I've seen the trees grow tall/
I've seen the factories coming to clutter on the shore/
They dump their waste into our lake, and every day there's more/
CHORUS: Oh lovely waters that have carried my canoe/
Cuyahoga River, what have they done to you?/
2. Once we would go fishing in rowboats every dawn/
Now all we see is tanker ships, and all the fish are gone/
We could see trout swimming full twenty feet below/
But now the water's turned to ink, no matter where we row/
CHORUS: Oh lovely waters that have carried my canoe/
Cuyahoga River, what have they done to you?/
3. Our river it was clean and clear, we'd swim there every day/
Now it's far too dangerous, a fence keeps us away/
The sun upon the water shone sparkling and royal/
But now we see a rainbow from reflections in the oil/
CHORUS: Oh lovely waters that have carried my canoe/
Cuyahoga River, what have they done to you?/
4. Late last Friday I drove home, smelled fire in the air/
Couldn't tell the origin, the smoke was everywhere/
A sheet of flame rose through the clouds, it cut them like a knife/
I saw the river up in flame and giving up its life/
CHORUS: Oh lovely waters that have carried my canoe/
Cuyahoga River, what have they done to you?/
5. Now the ashes settle on a charred and cindered lake/
Staying by this shoreline is a terrible mistake/
But the Cuyahoga's seen me grow, and now I've seen it die/
Figure I'll stay by it, though I cannot tell you why
CHORUS: Oh lovely waters that have carried my canoe/
Cuyahoga River, what have they done to you?/
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)niyad
(113,532 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)Panich52
(5,829 posts)While Ohio gad a burning river, Pittsburgh was known as the Smoky City (air pollution from steel mills).
The ironic thing is that as Repubs & DINO conservatives want to abolish the EPA, it was a Repub who started the environmental protection laws - Nixon.
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niyad
(113,532 posts)administration the epa was started.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)They voted for these people
hatrack
(59,592 posts)How's all them red-blooded conservative values working out for you, West Virginia?
those assholes out of the Country
Panich52
(5,829 posts)Systematic Chaos
(8,601 posts)I have very fond memories of West Virginia -- namely, the southern part of the state around Welch and Pineville. In the 70s, I lived with an aunt whose husband ran a local business along that highway, called Hicks Mower Service. They did small engine sales and repair, in case the name of the place didn't ruin the suspense.
After my uncle Siebert died, my aunt Mary stayed on the property at least until 1978, when relations between youngest (my mom) and oldest sisters ended up going sour. While we lived in her big house, it was pretty lonely, but the size of the cleared land along the highway gave me a nearly infinite amount of hiking trail to check out. There were so many types of birds -- and plants, and rocks, and things -- to identify and observe, that I was my own best company for the 18 months or so we lived there. The Pineville elementary school was a really nice place, too. I was looking forward to moving over to the high school, which began its classes at just 5th grade, but Mommy Dearest and I ended up moving to Roanoke, VA just before 4th grade ended.
All my rambling about that patch of land and my time near Welch is just to say that even though it may be slight, I feel a connection to these people and their suffering -- at least, those who had the smarts to vote for candidates who gave a damn about the environment there. I fear it's too late for the many who are just digging their own damn graves.
This may turn out to be one huge windfall for the cancer "treatment" industry.
hatrack
(59,592 posts)Naughty Systematic Chaos! Naughty!!!!
But come to think of it, the ocean really is a desert with its life underground and the perfect disguise above . . .