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GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:30 AM Jun 2015

Here's a good reason why the message of ecological danger isn't being absorbed.

Based on a careful poll of Myers-Briggs typologies of visitors to his web site, Tom Murphy of "Do the Math" fame has concluded that most personality types simply aren't wired to be receptive to the message.

Programmed to Ignore?

Rather than trying to predict a dire future, my goal in “Did the Math” was to build a plausible case for things going off the rails in the desperate hope that recognition of this possibility would spur action now to steer clear of this potential pitfall (thereby making me wrong, in a happy way). It’s trying to expose a blind spot—a sleeping dragon.

But that blind spot may be stamped into human nature. So what about this survey?

The survey asked people to indicate their personality type as classified by the Myers-Briggs mechanism. Keep in mind that these are people visiting the Peak Prosperity forum. We’ll call these people “receptive to the cautionary message.” Or at least engaged in the issue—be they supporters or detractors.

The result was pretty stunning. Of the 114 responses, site visitors were dominated by INTJ types (43 in number, or 38%), even though this group constitutes about 2–3% of the population. The website appears to be highly selective. It’s as if you called a meeting in San Diego to discuss drill bits and almost half the attendees were red-heads. If accurate, the implication is that less than 8% of the entire human population is likely receptive to the cautionary message on Peak Prosperity (and by extension, Do the Math—the numbers from which suggest an even smaller number). That’s a small fraction of the population, and likely well short of a “critical mass” for preventive action. So we may be committed to crisis.


In the graph above, the overlapping red and blue bars are the distribution of the 16 Myers-Briggs personality types in the general population, as reported by two sources. The blue outline is the personality distribution of visitors to Do the Math. The visitors can be assumed to be receptive to the message. They strongly represent only two personality types out of 16, or less than 5% of the whole population. And not even all of those in the general population will be receptive. Tom goes on to say:

The result is noteworthy. Even if off by a factor of two due to some systematic problem (explored below), the upshot is that we probably don’t have a high enough fraction of people with the disposition to take the cautionary message seriously, in advance of evident crisis. If 5% is too low to be a critical mass (as I suspect it is), then this could spell our doom: human nature is not up to the challenge.
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Here's a good reason why the message of ecological danger isn't being absorbed. (Original Post) GliderGuider Jun 2015 OP
Sort of off topic, but I couldn't remember my 'type', so I went out and took the test again online Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #1
M-B turns out to be substantially more complex than the 4-letter main type. GliderGuider Jun 2015 #2
The online version I took was one of the free ones, not the $50 'official' one, so I'm sure it Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #3
Short term beats long term The2ndWheel Jun 2015 #4

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Sort of off topic, but I couldn't remember my 'type', so I went out and took the test again online
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:53 AM
Jun 2015

and I got a markedly different result than I remember having in years past. I used to very definitively fall into a single category, but the only thing I have for certain with my younger self is 'introvert'. (Which seems odd for someone who posts on blogs a lot, but that's because I don't spend a lot of time with other people in the offline world.) In every other dimension, I've become more 'blended' or balanced, and now fall 'on the borderline' between categories. Makes me wonder how people tend to shift over time, and if the population 'rebalances' between categories over the course of a lifetime.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
2. M-B turns out to be substantially more complex than the 4-letter main type.
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 08:40 AM
Jun 2015

There is also a "functional stack" of four attributes related to the main type, and those need to be considered - especially the inferior function, which operates out of the unconscious.

I had a recent realization that has caused me to drop out of the "numbers of doom" game altogether. It came from reading deeper into this aspect of Myers-Briggs typologies. I discovered that the negative energy suffusing my writing came from an unintegrated inferior function. That (along with childhood parental influences) has also has caused me to misidentify myself as INTP rather than INFP for most of my life - as a thinking rather than a feeling type. As a result I complete missed the fact that much of the energy of my thinking was unconscious Shadow energy. When I read up on the role of the inferior function in Meyers-Briggs, the source of the psychic energy that has screwed up parts of my life so thoroughly became clear.

It seems that re-integrating my thinking ability into my whole personality is going to look a lot like Shadow work.

Speaking of the Shadow and its associated Jungian archetypes, the image that came when I had the breakthrough was fascinating. I appeared to myself as an Aztec priest on top of a pyramid performing a sacrifice. My victim represented all of humanity, and the still-beating heart that I was holding up in front of their horrified dying eyes was labeled "Hope"...

No more.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. The online version I took was one of the free ones, not the $50 'official' one, so I'm sure it
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 08:50 AM
Jun 2015

didn't go into serious detail. Indeed, some of the 'scales' I was rating myself on were not what I consider polar opposites. Indeed, I found myself sometimes splitting right down the middle because I identified fairly strongly with both options, not considering them in opposition to each other at all.

I think I 'wanted' to be a type more strongly than I was, and so I probably more strongly identified myself in the past, and now I simply take myself as I am. Interested in everything, not tightly focused in a single direction. The entire world is fascinating, in every aspect, everything is worth learning.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
4. Short term beats long term
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jun 2015

Life is a race with no destination. Make all the plans you want 10 years from now, and you still might die in 7.

It's both humans will invent things to get around the limits brought about by larger change, and the limits of the larger changes will bring about human innovation. Like the saying says, you can't win, can't break even, and can't get out of the game. Our activity causes change, and change causes our activity. There's no perfect state we'll get to. There's certainly no steady state. The equation is always changing.

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