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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:33 PM Aug 2015

New Solar Panel Technologies Will Drive Down Costs

New Solar Panel Technologies Will Drive Down Costs
7/28/15

New solar panel technologies are poised to drive down the cost of solar power even more. Recently, we reported on new technology that makes solar panels out of perovskite modules. In fact, Varun Sivaram, Samuel Stranks, and Henry Snaith have written an article for Scientific American about the wonders of perovskite solar cells, which have achieved stunning results in the laboratory. Sivaram says, “[M]any of us believe this is the field’s biggest breakthrough since the original invention of the solar cell sixty years ago.”

...Snip...

A more comprehensive way to compare solar technology is the energy payback time (or energy return on investment, EROI), which also considers the energy that went into creating the product. Perovskites lag behind silicon in conversion efficiency, but they require much less energy to be made into a solar module. So perovskite modules pull ahead with a substantially shorter energy payback time — the shortest, in fact, among existing options for solar power.

One of the motivations for this study was the need to improve technology so that solar energy can be scaled up in a big way. “Soon, we’re going to need to produce an extremely high number of solar panels,” one of the authors of the study says. “We don’t have time for trial-and-error in finding the ideal design. We need a more rigorous approach, a method that systematically considers all variables.”

“Appreciating energy payback times is important if we want to move perovskites from the world of scientific curiosity to the world of relevant commercial technology,” says Seth Darling, an Argonne scientist and co-author on the paper...

Read more~
http://planetsave.com/2015/07/28/new-solar-panel-technologies-will-drive-down-costs/


This sounds encouraging....?
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New Solar Panel Technologies Will Drive Down Costs (Original Post) RiverLover Aug 2015 OP
Sushhh, The fossil fuels corporations might hear. ruffburr Aug 2015 #1
Ha! I'll try to keep it down... RiverLover Aug 2015 #2
Actually the attack on renewables is mostly out of the nuclear industry kristopher Aug 2015 #7
They do "sound encouraging" but it is too early to tell how these cells will pan out commercially... PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #3
Really interesting articles on "the new black" in solar. RiverLover Aug 2015 #4
I'm optimistic about solar because it will be getting cheaper over time PoliticAverse Aug 2015 #5
It sure needs to be restricted further. RiverLover Aug 2015 #6
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #8

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
2. Ha! I'll try to keep it down...
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 07:59 PM
Aug 2015

...nah

I suppose much like BigAg tries to tell us their pesticide-coated GMO seeds aren't killing the bees & butterflies, and fund studies predisposed to "prove" that they are oh so innocent, it is BigOil funding the "studies" calling renewables "renewables" and trying to say we won't benefit from them in the long run?

I'm a little late to the party & clearly have some catching up to do....

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
7. Actually the attack on renewables is mostly out of the nuclear industry
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 11:00 PM
Aug 2015

They have the best PR system, bar none.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
4. Really interesting articles on "the new black" in solar.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:15 PM
Aug 2015

Thank you so much!

I think these guys are encouraged, from 2nd link~

The company has a development team of 24 people, backed by £7 million in financing. With perovskite efficiencies rising by the month, Oxford is now aiming to raise more money and expand. “It’s not a cottage industry,” says CEO Kevin Arthur. “We are going gangbusters on this.”


I needed some good news after the 'sustaining the wind' downer. Who knows if this will help our sun save us from ourselves, but its so very good to know people are out there trying. I hope it can realistically be done on a very, very large scale & the goals are reached...

from the 3rd link, notice Snaith from the OP~

Those plaudits come with a small catch—they tacitly presume that perovskite will continue its rapid ascent. If it does, the material truly could be revolutionary. Currently, photovoltaics cost between $2 and $5 per watt depending on the scale of the installation. That’s significantly lower than just five years ago, though it’s still not competitive with coal or natural gas. But if perovskite continues to gain efficiency, it could tilt the playing field solidly in favor of solar power.

The target is 25% efficiency. Very few types of cells exceed that goal, and even fewer are commercially available currently. “A lot of people think that you need the efficiency of the cells to be up near 25% because if the efficiency is lower, you need a larger area to get the power, and the larger area, the more the installation costs are,” McGehee says. Perovskite made waves with how quickly it broke 15% efficiency, and unspoken assumption in many articles is that the material could breach 25% in a matter of years, not decades.

Snaith, whose team achieved the recent perovskite milestone, seems convinced that perovskite already has commercial potential...


I love this!!

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
5. I'm optimistic about solar because it will be getting cheaper over time
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:22 PM
Aug 2015

even if only due to the accumulation of small improvements.

Note that natural gas is only so cheap due to fracking, and if environmental concerns cause
fracking to be restricted further the price advantage of natural gas likely goes away.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
6. It sure needs to be restricted further.
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 09:35 PM
Aug 2015

There's virtually zero oversight in Ohio, with over 240 toxic fracking waste injection wells(which have no structural regulations) and now over 13 landfills for supposedly "cleaned" toxic, radioactive waste. That's not even considering all of the leaks & spills during the actual fracking process which we never hear about unless they go "boom"...one state. At least with the low oil prices, they aren't starting as many new sites. Just "re-fracking" low producers. It's sick.

Thanks Dick Cheney, for your ability to convince our legislators in 2005 to give BigOil the ability to be the only industry legally allowed to poison our water through fracking, which is why fracking has exploded since...grrr.

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