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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:41 PM Sep 2015

We are pro-nuclear, but Hinkley C must be scrapped: George Monbiot, Mark Lynas, and Chris Goodall

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/18/we-are-pro-nuclear-but-hinkley-c-must-be-scrapped

We are pro-nuclear, but Hinkley C must be scrapped

Overpriced, overcomplicated and overdue, the Hinkley project needs to be killed off and the money invested into other low-carbon technologies

George Monbiot, Mark Lynas, and Chris Goodall

Friday 18 September 2015

As committed environmentalists, our conversion to the cause of nuclear power was painful and disorienting. All of us carried a cost in changing our position, antagonising friends and alienating colleagues. But we believe that shutting down – or failing to replace – our primary source of low carbon energy during a climate emergency is a refined form of madness.

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Now, however, we are about to antagonise a different faction, by arguing that the UK’s only proposed nuclear power plant, Hinkley C in Somerset, should not be built.

Hinkley C bears all the distinguishing features of a white elephant: overpriced, overcomplicated and overdue. The delay that was announced recently should be the final straw. The government should kill the project.

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So how do the operators, the French company EDF, expect Hinkley C – even if it can be built – to be economically viable? By extracting from the government a price guarantee of £92.50 per megawatt hour for the electricity it produces, index-linked for 35 years.

This is simply astronomical. It is more than twice the current wholesale price of electricity, and more than the government is now paying for solar power, whose costs are expected to fall greatly during the lifetime of the nuclear plant. Against current prices, the government’s guarantee represents a subsidy of over £1 billion a year.

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But perhaps the greatest problem Hinkley C imposes is energy blight. As the project is delayed, the power it would otherwise have generated is likely to be supplied instead by fossil fuel plants. If it does indeed turn out to be unconstructable, the result is likely to be a panicked scramble back into gas and even, perhaps, coal.

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We are pro-nuclear, but Hinkley C must be scrapped: George Monbiot, Mark Lynas, and Chris Goodall (Original Post) bananas Sep 2015 OP
I like energy that does not blow up shenmue Sep 2015 #1
Blowing up HassleCat Sep 2015 #4
Related thread in LBN bananas Sep 2015 #2
Thank Maggie Thatcher HassleCat Sep 2015 #3
Scrapping a nuclear plant causes loss of life. NNadir Sep 2015 #5
Hinkley C is a capitalist's wet dream: getting paid loads regardless of progress or output. Nihil Sep 2015 #6
 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
4. Blowing up
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:51 PM
Sep 2015

The ordinary pressurized water reactor used in most nuclear generating plants, will not blow up like an atomic bomb. It can blow up from excess pressure, releasing a cloud of radioactive steam, but it won't level a whole city or anything like that.

bananas

(27,509 posts)
2. Related thread in LBN
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:47 PM
Sep 2015

Only China wants to invest in Britain's new £2bn Hinkley Point nuclear plant because no one else thinks it will work, EDF admits
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141214607

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
3. Thank Maggie Thatcher
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 01:49 PM
Sep 2015

Her drive to divest government of public utilities is bearing fruit. Juicy, delicious fruit for EDF, the company involved.

NNadir

(33,527 posts)
5. Scrapping a nuclear plant causes loss of life.
Wed Sep 23, 2015, 05:22 PM
Sep 2015

Air pollution kills 7 million people a year. In 50 years of operations, the nuclear industry is not even responsible for one day of air pollution deaths.

This is widely known and irrefutable. It follows that anti-nuke fear and ignorance costs lives.

A nuclear plant is a long term investment, a gift to future generations.

Any generation that is so self absorbed as to not invest in nuclear plants is simply making a statement that it is unwilling to provide those generations that will come after.

All nuclear plants are amortized in the future, since their up front capital costs - because of appeals to fear and ignorance by anti-nukes - are high; their operating costs are low. Since nuclear plants are designed to last 60 to 80 years, as opposed to the failed and prohibitively expensive, toxic and unsustainable so called "renewable energy" industry, where the "plants" become electronic waste within one or two decades, the nature of who will reap the benefits of having nuclear plants is clear. Unfortunately will live in a generation of people featured by indifference and selfishness.

In addition, any complaint by any anti-nuke about "cost" is absurd. They don't give a rat's ass about electricity rates in say, officially anti-nuke countries like say, Denmark or Germany, where the poor are required to subsidize the rich through electricity rates.

One may simply compare the rates of countries in Europe with, um, say, France. One may observe which countries appear at the top of the bar chart in this list: Electricity Prices Rising in Europe.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
6. Hinkley C is a capitalist's wet dream: getting paid loads regardless of progress or output.
Thu Sep 24, 2015, 04:22 AM
Sep 2015

> Hinkley C bears all the distinguishing features of a white elephant:
> overpriced, overcomplicated and overdue.

Sad but true summary.

> As the project is delayed, the power it would otherwise have generated
> is likely to be supplied instead by fossil fuel plants.

No "likely" about it: baseload generation in the absence of nuclear is coal.

(Yes, it will change in the future along with the concept of "baseload generation"
but here & now the above is the problem.)

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