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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:52 AM Dec 2015

Another Earthquake Hits Oklahoma: Officials Worry Stronger Quake Could Threaten National Security

http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/12/02/another-earthquake-hits-oklahoma-officials-worry-stronger-quake-could-threaten-national-security/

Officials in frack-happy Oklahoma are continuing to express concern over the state’s alarming earthquake boom. If a strong one strikes the northwestern city of Cushing—one of the largest crude oil storage facilities in North America, if not the world—it could disrupt the U.S. energy market and become a national security threat, NPR reports.

Mike Moeller, senior director of mid-continent assets for Unbridle Energy, explained to NPR that, so far, the state’s uptick in tremors have not affected company operations.

However, Moeller noted that the company’s 18 tanks, which hold between 350,000 to 575,000 of oil, are not built to withstand serious earthquakes, especially since earthquakes used to be so rare in Oklahoma.

As EcoWatch reported in September, before 2009 Oklahoma had two earthquakes a year, but now there are two per day. Oklahoma has more earthquakes than anywhere else in the world, a spokesperson from the Oklahoma Corporation Commission said earlier this month.

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Another Earthquake Hits Oklahoma: Officials Worry Stronger Quake Could Threaten National Security (Original Post) eridani Dec 2015 OP
I'm sure when Hillary is Fracker-in-Chief she'll come up with a solution. Scuba Dec 2015 #1
+1 darkangel218 Dec 2015 #13
Where was that picture taken? -none Dec 2015 #2
The cable used to protect yesphan Dec 2015 #5
"National Security"? You mean, potentially affecting the flow of oil & gas? hatrack Dec 2015 #3
Misleading Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #4
The tag is from a Asian country. -none Dec 2015 #6
Thanks, Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #7
But whatever... -none Dec 2015 #8
The terrain struck me as very Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #9
It still depicts something which could happen darkangel218 Dec 2015 #10
Yes, but the writer does NOT identify the actual location Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #11
Maybe they found a pic with the licence cropped? darkangel218 Dec 2015 #12
The pic is all over a number of enviromental blogs Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #14
Ahh...I see what you mean. darkangel218 Dec 2015 #15
I think mis-using this photo damages the credibility of the story. mackdaddy Dec 2015 #19
Exactly! Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #25
Willful intent? kristopher Dec 2015 #16
Well, I tracked the pic down Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #17
Yes, and how does that support your assumption of malicious intent? kristopher Dec 2015 #18
Please show me where I used the word "malicious". Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #20
"willful intent to mislead" kristopher Dec 2015 #21
"Willful" and "malicious" are not synonymous Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #22
You accused the person of lying - that's malicious. kristopher Dec 2015 #23
Don't flatter yourself Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #24
Perhaps you need a bit more study... kristopher Dec 2015 #27
I said, Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #28
You said a lot of meaningless crap... kristopher Dec 2015 #33
Probably a sotck image, but Oklahoma dose have some steep terrain. Images of Falls Creek Oklahoma Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #26
The image is from a 6.8 earthquake Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #29
Stock footage then. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #30
No. They swiped it from a structural engineering group's Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #32
You really don't get it, do you? kristopher Dec 2015 #34
You don't get it Kelvin Mace Dec 2015 #36
Poor little feller... kristopher Dec 2015 #37
Here's a segment from RMS 2naSalit Dec 2015 #31
Thank you. kristopher Dec 2015 #35
You're welcome... 2naSalit Dec 2015 #38

-none

(1,884 posts)
2. Where was that picture taken?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:22 AM
Dec 2015

That looks like it is in the mountains somewhere. Oklahoma is mostly, kinda flat to hilly. Also the license on the car is conveniently cropped out. That looks more like Montana or Idaho.

yesphan

(1,588 posts)
5. The cable used to protect
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:49 AM
Dec 2015

the slope, in the photo, is not used in Oklahoma. Cable barrier is used to prevent crossover accidents but not
as a slope guard.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
4. Misleading
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:46 AM
Dec 2015

The story implies that this happened in the U.S., however the photo was cropped to hide the license plate which is not a U.S. plate.



The original pic looks like it was from a Romanian site:

http://dezvaluitorul.ro/cum-putem-afla-cand-va-fi-urmatorul-cutremur/

I am totally opposed to fracking, but misleading people about damage that has occurred is wrong.

-none

(1,884 posts)
8. But whatever...
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:29 PM
Dec 2015

Someone is trying to mislead with that picture. None of the earthquakes in Oklahoma were that bad - yet anyway.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
9. The terrain struck me as very
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:34 PM
Dec 2015

"un-Oklahoma". Definitely not a plain some wind can come sweeping down.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
10. It still depicts something which could happen
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:38 PM
Dec 2015

I think that's what the OP was about: a stronger quake is possible to follow..

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
11. Yes, but the writer does NOT identify the actual location
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:43 PM
Dec 2015

of the pic, a central image to the story. They also crop the license plate out, which implies willful intent to mislead.

Sorry, but let's leave that kind of poor journalism for the pros.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
12. Maybe they found a pic with the licence cropped?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:46 PM
Dec 2015

It really doesn't matter where the pic is from, IMO. It illustrates a point of what may happen.

Thats how I see it anyway.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
14. The pic is all over a number of enviromental blogs
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:30 PM
Dec 2015

and they directly state or imply that this happened in Oklahoma,

For example:

(PICTURED ABOVE: one of 2,547 earthquakes caused by Fracking in Oklahoma since 2009)

http://omitlimitation.com/2014/07/09/new-study-links-fracking-with-earthquakes/

The photo wasn't licensed since a properly licensed photo has copyright data embedded, whereas such data is stripped out of this photo. The original source for the photo appear to be this site, documenting damage caused by an earthquake in Japan on October 23, 2004. The road was damage by a landslide.

http://www.geerassociation.org/GEER_Post%20EQ%20Reports/Niigata-ken_2004/November2.html

No one was talking about fracking in Oklahoma in 2004. Again, it is improper to use a photo in a news story without attribution and in a manner that is deceptive or misleading.

mackdaddy

(1,528 posts)
19. I think mis-using this photo damages the credibility of the story.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 01:16 PM
Dec 2015

Fracking caused earthquakes are a real and serious problem. But the story does imply that this is a photo of actual damage in Oklahoma, and has been repeated on many blogs.

It could be used to make anyone referring to this story also look foolish or deceptive, even if that is not the intent.

This is below minimum standards for even a blog post in my opinion.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
25. Exactly!
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:27 PM
Dec 2015

But we seem to have some folks who believe that lazy, unethical and/or deceptive actions are fine, as long as it is for a good cause.

A lot of cops start out with that way of thinking. Next thing you know they are planting guns on people they shot a dozen times.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
16. Willful intent?
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:21 PM
Dec 2015

Could be a matter of privacy or it could be coincidence. Willful intent is an over the top interpretation - but I fully concede it is your right to go there if you choose.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
17. Well, I tracked the pic down
Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:38 PM
Dec 2015

and it was nothing involving protecting anyone's privacy. Many sites have used the photo and claimed or insinuated it was in Oklahoma. The photo was from a group of structural engineers evaluating damage in Japan following an earthquake in 2004. I posted links elsewhere in this thread.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
18. Yes, and how does that support your assumption of malicious intent?
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:33 AM
Dec 2015

That pic is in and related to the part of the story about potential for damage to sensitive structures that are susceptible to the developing trendline in OK's seismic activity. They neither state nor imply it is a photo of Oklahoma - it is a sample of damage from a strong earthquake of the type that is threatening the storage tanks.

Given the accuracy in the rest of the article, I think your complaint lacks legitimacy and that your charge is petty behavior.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
20. Please show me where I used the word "malicious".
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 03:37 PM
Dec 2015

I said "willful" not malicious. I know you read it, since you actually quote my post in your reply title. "Willful" and "malicious" are not synonymous.

I explicitly explain the picture's provenance in this post:

(PICTURED ABOVE: one of 2,547 earthquakes caused by Fracking in Oklahoma since 2009)

http://omitlimitation.com/2014/07/09/new-study-links-fracking-with-earthquakes/

The photo wasn't licensed since a properly licensed photo has copyright data embedded, whereas such data is stripped out of this photo. The original source for the photo appear to be this site, documenting damage caused by an earthquake in Japan on October 23, 2004. The road was damage by a landslide.

http://www.geerassociation.org/GEER_Post%20EQ%20Reports/Niigata-ken_2004/November2.html

No one was talking about fracking in Oklahoma in 2004. Again, it is improper to use a photo in a news story without attribution and in a manner that is deceptive or misleading.


The author's failure to properly attribute the photo, to use a photo of a 2004 6.8 magnitude earthquake from a mountainous region in Japan and show a road damaged by a landslide, is improper. Numerous enviro sites used this exact same photo and failed to properly credit or explain the pic.

The failure of the writer in the linked post to properly identify the location of the photo leaves open the possibility that the reader will infer they are looking at a problem in Oklahoma. At best, the writer was willfully lazy, at worst, willfully deceptive (not malicious).

http://www.desmogblog.com/2014/07/17/fracking-earthquakes-oklahoma-spur-debate-about-wastewater-injection
http://omitlimitation.com/2014/07/09/new-study-links-fracking-with-earthquakes/
http://frackingsa.org/coping-earthquakes-induced-fluid-injection/
http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/05/09/what-youre-not-being-told-about-those-oklahoma-earthquakes/
http://www.newindianexpress.com/education/student/Oklahoma-Counts-the-Cost-of-Fracking-Boom/2015/03/04/article2696535.ece
http://www.geologyin.com/2015/02/coping-with-earthquakes-induced-by.html
http://frackfreeryedale.org/ebberston-moor-south-planning-application-briefing/

Etc.

It is certainly immoral and unethical to use someone else's photo without attribution.

Dubious journalistic practices impeach the "accuracy" of the article. This give climate deniers and their ilk ammunition to use against us.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
21. "willful intent to mislead"
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 05:53 PM
Dec 2015

That is AKA "lying" or "deceiving" - which is a malicious act.

I still hold the view I expressed above - they used a photo demonstrating the earthquake forces that the fracking tanks are potentially subject to. And I frankly don't give a flying fuck about your crusade against someone that used a picture in a manner you think inappropriate. Get over yourself.

What is really fucking immoral and unethical is the environmental hazard that is going unaddressed - AS POINTED OUT IN THE ARTICLE.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
22. "Willful" and "malicious" are not synonymous
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:16 PM
Dec 2015

One can willfully misuse a photo to illustrate a valid point claiming that making the point is more important than using a deceptive bit of evidence to make the point. Malice, "the intention or desire to do evil" doesn't bloody well enter into it.

Also, misleading someone is not the same as lying to them, nor is lying automatically a "malicious act". Intent is what matters when one must judge an act malicious. And since I did NOT see the act as "malicious", I didn't use the word "malicious".

However, people who cut their teeth on this type of improper manipulation of facts can graduate into the big leagues and into maliciousness.

Having accused me of describing someone's conduct as "malicious", you now try to characterize me as being on a "crusade". I use the words I mean to use, which have specific definitions. You seem to take a more "elastic" view that words mean what you say they mean, and may become other words entirely at your behest.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
23. You accused the person of lying - that's malicious.
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 06:22 PM
Dec 2015

Are you really this desperate for attention?

Pfffft.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
24. Don't flatter yourself
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:24 PM
Dec 2015

that my attempt to engage your limited attention span is anything more than an (apparently futile) effort to educate you in basic ethics.

And, as I am wasting my time...

Good day.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
26. Probably a sotck image, but Oklahoma dose have some steep terrain. Images of Falls Creek Oklahoma
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 07:45 PM
Dec 2015




Red Rock Canyon Oklahoma

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
29. The image is from a 6.8 earthquake
Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:24 PM
Dec 2015

in Japan in 2004. It is all over a number of enviro sites claiming explicitly or implicitly that it is Oklahoma:

Original site:

http://www.geerassociation.org/GEER_Post%20EQ%20Reports/Niigata-ken_2004/November2.html

Pix is now an FB meme.

?itok=UZMNzupr

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
32. No. They swiped it from a structural engineering group's
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:40 AM
Dec 2015

web site without attribution. I posted the link to the original above. Sadly, people elsewhere in this thread see no problem with this.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
34. You really don't get it, do you?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:03 AM
Dec 2015

This is the topic:

New alarm over fracking-related earthquake threat to oil storage
Jeremy Boak, director of the Oklahoma Geological Survey, talks with Rachel Maddow about the role of fracking in the alarming spike in earthquakes in Oklahoma, with concern about the quakes exacerbated by a recent strong one in the area of a massive oil storage facility.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/new-alarm--frackquake-threat-to-oil-storage-546223683598

Your obsession about the photo is irrelevant and meaningless.
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