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marmar

(77,084 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 04:56 PM Jul 2013

New York's Penn station – and other ugly train terminals around the world


New York's Penn station – and other ugly train terminals around the world
The city council has ordered Madison Square Garden to move within 10 years, making way for a redeveloped Penn station. What about other ugly stations from around the world?

Jason Farago in New York
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 25 July 2013


[font size="1"]The original Penn Station, torn down to make way for Madison Square Garden. Photograph: New York Public Library[/font]


The New York City council voted overwhelmingly this week to renew the lease of Madison Square Garden only for 10 more years – essentially serving an eviction notice to the hulking stadium in midtown Manhattan. The decision was cheered by architectural and civic organizations, who have been pressing for decades to redevelop Pennsylvania station, the neglected railway terminus underneath the stadium. Penn station is by far the busiest railway station in North America, and Madison Square Garden has been one of the principal roadblocks to redeveloping it.

The eviction notice for Madison Square Garden offers the best opportunity in decades to revive Penn station. Earlier this year the Municipal Art Society presented a quartet of new design proposals from architects such as Diller Scofidio + Renfro, who masterminded the reconstruction of Lincoln Center, and ShoP Architects, designers of the Barclays center stadium in Brooklyn. All the proposed designs eliminate the underground maze of today's Penn station, and bring passengers back up into the city.

While the US has long suffered from some of the worst infrastructure in the western world, other cities have built some hideous stations too.

Old Penn station

The original Penn station, which opened in 1910, was a beaux-arts masterpiece. Designed by McKim, Mead & White, the most prominent architectural firm of the era – responsible also for the Morgan library and the Brooklyn museum – the station served as a breathtaking arrival point for visitors to New York. The station's waiting room, modeled on St Peter's Basilica in Rome, was the largest indoor space in New York at the time. .........................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2013/jul/25/new-york-penn-station-ugly-train-world



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New York's Penn station – and other ugly train terminals around the world (Original Post) marmar Jul 2013 OP
Weren't they going to convert the old General Post Office across the street into a new station? KamaAina Jul 2013 #1
You should look at the station in Pittsburgh happyslug Aug 2013 #2
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
1. Weren't they going to convert the old General Post Office across the street into a new station?
Thu Jul 25, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jul 2013

Maybe they could build the new Garden on that site (between Eighth and Ninth aves.)

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
2. You should look at the station in Pittsburgh
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 06:08 PM
Aug 2013

The actual station build in the early 1900s still stands, but when Conrail abondoned it in the 1990s, it was converted to condonmoeuns AND the station moved outside and to the rear.

The old station still stands, but NOT as Amtrack's station:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Station_(Pittsburgh)



Off to the side and to the reat, passengers can NOT even use the above, the entrance to the new station is BELOW this grade:



AMTRAK uses the same tracks as the old station, but you enter it from below and to the side of the old station, the tracks are to the rear of the old station.

http://www.google.com/imgres?




In this photo you see the cars below the rotundra, the new station is on the level of the car NOT the rotundra:


http://www.greatamericanstations.com/Stations/PGH/Station_view

Inside the present station:

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