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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 04:13 AM Jun 2015

Poland says Washington stonewalling CIA jail investigation

The United States is ignoring a request from Poland to hand over the full version of a Senate report that could shed light on allegations the CIA abused al Qaeda suspects at a secret prison in the north of the country, according to Polish prosecutors.

The report last December by the U.S. Senate intelligence committee detailed how the CIA used techniques including water-boarding and mock executions on terrorism suspects at secret overseas facilities in the years following the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.

It named the locations of the secret prisons, but these were blacked out in the summary that was released to the public.

Polish prosecutors say they formally asked the U.S. Justice Department for a full, unredacted copy of the report to help their criminal investigation into allegations the CIA ran one of the facilities in a Polish fores

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/12/us-usa-cia-torture-poland-idUSKBN0OS1N220150612

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Poland says Washington stonewalling CIA jail investigation (Original Post) jakeXT Jun 2015 OP
Documents from tape affair probe 'biggest leak in Polish history' bemildred Jun 2015 #1
Jeb Bush’s unexpected connection to Europe’s ‘Waitergate’ jakeXT Jun 2015 #5
Yeah, that one is priceless, isn't it? bemildred Jun 2015 #6
He still gets good one liners from Sikorski's wife Anne Applebaum jakeXT Jun 2015 #7
It is so amusing how they think that "drift and indecision" is our problem. bemildred Jun 2015 #8
Boy, she has big ideas. bemildred Jun 2015 #10
During Stuxnet, and we know who created it, the focus shifted towards cyber jakeXT Jun 2015 #14
Yep, our own licensed vandals and death squads, because we don't have enough trouble yet. bemildred Jun 2015 #16
. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #11
He mentioned martial law and said you'll all be dead, a day before the coup jakeXT Jun 2015 #12
The big question to your OP is who wiretapped them. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #13
I think he was referring to the civil war. nt bemildred Jun 2015 #15
They tried to blame Russia instantly.... jakeXT Jun 2015 #17
well we know who does bug everyone and everything. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #18
Polish Premier Shuffles Cabinet to Stem Slide Before Ballot bemildred Jun 2015 #2
Poland's premier rejects suggestions she should resign bemildred Jun 2015 #3
Tape Affair: Attorney General next to go? bemildred Jun 2015 #4
I'm shocked! Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #9
Poland’s Sikorski Urges Tougher NATO Stance Against Russia bemildred Jun 2015 #19
Probably the good Oxford education, so he is going with the Jeb Bush script now/nt jakeXT Jun 2015 #20
Probably not drunk. nt bemildred Jun 2015 #21
Polish PM appoints political novices to her struggling government bemildred Jun 2015 #22

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. Documents from tape affair probe 'biggest leak in Polish history'
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:13 AM
Jun 2015
And then there's this and the Sikorski tape scandal.

A blogger's publication of documents from a probe into a wiretapping scandal that rocked the Polish government in 2014 has been described as 'the biggest leak from an investigation in Polish history.'

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/209593,Documents-from-tape-affair-probe-biggest-leak-in-Polish-history

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
5. Jeb Bush’s unexpected connection to Europe’s ‘Waitergate’
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:05 AM
Jun 2015

Of particular interest, however, is Radosław Sikorski, Poland’s foreign minister at the time, who was recorded describing Poland’s alliance with the United States as “worthless” and “bulls***.” Sikorski, widely seen as being friendly with the U.S., was also heard saying, “We’ll get into a conflict with the Russians and the Germans, and we’ll think that everything is super because we gave the Americans a b*** j**. Losers. Complete losers.”

The story roiled Polish politics, and Sikorski, who later became speaker of parliament, resigned on Wednesday.

How does this relate to U.S. politics? Jeb Bush met with Sikorski a day later, despite what he said about the United States and the American alliance with Poland. MSNBC’s Benjy Sarlin reported:

Walking delicately around one potential minefield, Bush met Radek Sikorski, who was the country’s parliamentary speaker before he resigned over a leaked tape of comments he made decrying the United States as a “worthless” ally.


Asked about Sikurski’s criticisms of Bush’s own country, the Republican added, “Maybe there’s a degree of frustration that over the last few years we’ve kind of changed course as it relates to the deployment of the missile system, for example…. So perhaps he was expressing frustration.”

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/jeb-bushs-unexpected-connection-europes-waitergate

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
7. He still gets good one liners from Sikorski's wife Anne Applebaum
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:17 AM
Jun 2015

Nature abhors a vacuum — and for the dozen-odd people seeking to become the next U.S. president, American drift and indecision look like easy targets. Certainly Republicans have identified foreign policy as a winning issue. While in Germany this week, Jeb Bush described Russian President Vladi­mir Putin as “a ruthless pragmatist who will push until someone pushes back” and called for a renewal of the Western alliance. Marco Rubio has also demanded renewed “American strength” and greater global leadership. It’s probably only a matter of time before Hillary Clinton finds a way to delicately separate Obama’s first term from his second, the better to attack the latter as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/americas-foreign-policy-recovery/2015/06/12/e89d609e-10fb-11e5-9726-49d6fa26a8c6_story.html?hpid=z3

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. It is so amusing how they think that "drift and indecision" is our problem.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jun 2015

Not stupidilty, not incompetence, not ignorance and arrogance, we just have not been dogmatic and aggressive enough yet. Like that was not how we got here in the first place.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. Boy, she has big ideas.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jun 2015

"NATO needs a new decision making process". Lots of InfoWar bullshit too. Like they did not just get the crown jewels stolen, web-security wise, again, with no whistle-blower to blame this time. "It's the Chinese" or something. Well, we built the web, right, why is anybody able to steal our stuff on it?

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
14. During Stuxnet, and we know who created it, the focus shifted towards cyber
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jun 2015

We need more money ... more money, and it will probably used mainly for offense

Wed Aug 3, 2011

Former CIA official sees terrorism-cyber parallels

Different wars for different times. Cofer Black, a former top CIA counterterrorism official, said on Wednesday he sees parallels between the terrorism threat that emerged before the September 11 attacks a decade ago and the emerging cyber threat now.

The question of validation -- judging the severity of the threat and who is behind it -- is just as much an issue now as it was in the lead-up to the September 11 attacks, he told an audience of information security experts at the annual Black Hat conference.

---

A "state actor" was blamed on Wednesday for a massive wave of cyber attacks that spanned five years and affected the networks of 72 organizations around the world, including the United Nations, governments and corporations.

....

"Cyber will be a key component of any future conflict whether it's with a nation state, a rogue state or terrorist groups," Black said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/03/us-usa-security-cyber-idUSTRE7727AJ20110803



It's like that Korea fairytale


N.S.A. Breached North Korean Networks Before Sony Attack, Officials Say

WASHINGTON — The trail that led American officials to blame North Korea for the destructive cyberattack on Sony Pictures Entertainment in November winds back to 2010, when the National Security Agency scrambled to break into the computer systems of a country considered one of the most impenetrable targets on earth.

Spurred by growing concern about North Korea’s maturing capabilities, the American spy agency drilled into the Chinese networks that connect North Korea to the outside world, picked through connections in Malaysia favored by North Korean hackers and penetrated directly into the North with the help of South Korea and other American allies, according to former United States and foreign officials, computer experts later briefed on the operations and a newly disclosed N.S.A. document.

A classified security agency program expanded into an ambitious effort, officials said, to place malware that could track the internal workings of many of the computers and networks used by the North’s hackers, a force that South Korea’s military recently said numbers roughly 6,000 people. Most are commanded by the country’s main intelligence service, called the Reconnaissance General Bureau, and Bureau 121, its secretive hacking unit, with a large outpost in China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/19/world/asia/nsa-tapped-into-north-korean-networks-before-sony-attack-officials-say.html?_r=0

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
16. Yep, our own licensed vandals and death squads, because we don't have enough trouble yet.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jun 2015

And now they intend to take their games onto the internet. I admit I am curious to see how that works out, it should get pretty wild, but it will likely degrade if not destroy the internet in it's present form, and may make it unusable for commerce.

Ash Carter is a type I know well.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
11. .
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jun 2015
“We’ll get into a conflict with the Russians and the Germans, and we’ll think that everything is super because we gave the Americans a b*** j**. Losers. Complete losers.”


Thats vicky and her crew.



JM

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
13. The big question to your OP is who wiretapped them.
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jun 2015

The NSA or the russians?



Regarding the threats of killing the opposition, I suppose it would have been a lesser body count than the bloody civil war.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
17. They tried to blame Russia instantly....
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 12:44 PM
Jun 2015

Days after the Wprost began releasing the recordings, police raided the magazine’s headquarters, prying laptops out of editors’ hands. The government, meanwhile, launched a criminal investigation while publicly pointing fingers at Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“Prime Minister Donald Tusk, in remarks reminiscent of the fall of Richard Nixon during the Watergate scandal, has emphasized that the bugging of private conversations is strictly illegal and has blamed the leaks on ‘an organized criminal group that is destabilizing the state,'” Newsweek reported in July. “Tusk has encouraged the widespread belief that Russia is behind the bugging because it seeks to undermine the Polish state, as it has in neighboring Ukraine. Fingers are being pointed at Marek Falenta, a Polish multimillionaire whose company imports coal from Russia and who was detained in connection with the recordings.”

Despite the uproar, however, it initially seemed that Civic Platform would escape any serious consequences. Tusk stepped down in September after being appointed president of the European Council — a major coup for both the politician and for Poland — passing the torch to Kopacz. Sikorski, meanwhile, became speaker of parliament.

...

The scandal escalated again earlier this week when a blogger and activist, Zbigniew Stonoga, published 2,500 pages of sealed documents from the ongoing investigation into the audio tapes. “The materials, which Stonoga claimed to have found on Chinese Internet sites, include testimony from the accused and from witnesses, along with personal information such as addresses and phone numbers, and evidence for the case,” according Russia’s state-owned Sputnik news agency.

Ultimately, the mystery over who bugged the bread basket remains unsolved.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/06/11/sex-lies-and-audio-tape-secret-recordings-finally-catch-up-to-polish-government/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. Polish Premier Shuffles Cabinet to Stem Slide Before Ballot
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:15 AM
Jun 2015

Polish Prime Minister Ewa Kopacz, facing elections in the fall, is shuffling her government after the ruling party has been battered by a defeat in presidential elections and an eavesdropping scandal.

“We’re in an election period and Poles are waiting for concrete proposals,” Kopacz told reporters in Warsaw on Wednesday. The ruling Civic Platform party “can’t be constantly blamed for the tape scandal.”

The ministers in charge of state-owned companies, health care and sports will leave the cabinet along with three deputies, Kopacz said. Parliament speaker Radoslaw Sikorski, a former foreign minister, also resigned, as did ex-Finance Minister Jacek Rostowski, Kopacz’s chief political adviser. The government plans to announce replacements next week, spokeswoman Malgorzata Kidawa-Blonska told the PAP news service.

The move underscores the speed of change in the political landscape of the European Union’s largest eastern country. A come-from-behind victory by opposition candidate Andrzej Duda in last month’s presidential ballot raised the prospects of the nation unseating one of the trading bloc’s most economically successful governments. Kopacz’s Civic Platform party, in power since 2007, is also seeking to distance itself from the eavesdropping scandal that rocked the country last year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-10/polish-premier-shuffles-cabinet-after-presidential-vote-defeat

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Poland's premier rejects suggestions she should resign
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:19 AM
Jun 2015

WARSAW, Poland (AP) -- Poland's Prime Minister Ewa Kopacz has dismissed opposition calls for her to resign with her Cabinet amid a revived 2014 eavesdropping scandal.

Kopacz is to name four new ministers next week to replace Cabinet members who resigned Wednesday. They were secretly taped in 2013 and 2014 during private meetings in restaurants. The public was shocked to hear their views and foul language.

Illegal publication this week of secret files from an investigation into the recordings revived the scandal, just months before Poland's general elections.

The opposition party, whose candidate Andrzej Duda won the May presidential election, has suggested that Kopacz and the Cabinet should resign now and that an interim government should be formed until the parliamentary vote.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_POLAND_POLITICS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-06-12-11-33-15

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. Tape Affair: Attorney General next to go?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 07:39 AM
Jun 2015
Some politicians seems to have a lot of trouble adapting to the modern world, they keep assuming they can't be heard and recorded. Surveillance works both ways, like it or not. That Panopticon idea is dead dead dead. All the serfs have cameras and tape decks in their pockets. Remember Abu Ghraib? All those high-tech warriors in the Pentagon and it never occurred to them that they might need to have some controls if they wanted things to stay secret.

Attorney General Andrzej Seremet answers questions in Poland's lower house of parliament (Sejm) on Wednesday.

Although senior coalition partner Civic Platform has criticised the Attorney General fornot managing to keep the files confidential while the investigation continued, a two thirds majority in parliament would be necessary to dethrone Seremet.

Furthermore, at least half of all currently serving MPs would have to be present for the vote to be valid.

Meanwhile, opposition party Law and Justice has already confirmed that it is against the removal of the Attorney General.

http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/209995,Tape-Affair-Attorney-General-next-to-go

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
19. Poland’s Sikorski Urges Tougher NATO Stance Against Russia
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 07:05 PM
Jun 2015

Two days after resigning as the Speaker of Poland’s Parliament following an eavesdropping scandal, veteran Polish politician Radosław Sikorski said his country and the United States must jointly stand up to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s provocations in Ukraine.

Speaking June 12 at the Atlantic Council’s Wrocław Global Forum 2015, Sikorski thanked the US government for boosting its military presence in Eastern Europe in a time of great uncertainty following Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea and its current military aggression in eastern Ukraine.

“We have felt some frustration that so many years after Poland’s accession to NATO, we didn’t see visible signs of a US presence here,” Sikorski conceded in a keynote speech following his introduction by the Atlantic Council President and CEO Fred Kempe.

“But in the last few years, contingency plans have been written for Poland, which have now started being backed up with capabilities,” he said. “We’ve seen convoys from the Baltic states, permanent rotational exercises in Poland, a small permanent air detachment in Poland, and we’ll soon be building a missile defense base. Now it’s happening and I feel satisfied.”

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/poland-s-sikorski-urges-tougher-nato-stance-against-russia

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
22. Polish PM appoints political novices to her struggling government
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jun 2015

WARSAW (Reuters) – Polish Prime Minister Ewa Kopacz appointed a group of relative political unknowns to her cabinet on Monday in an effort to regain voters’ trust and avoid defeat in a parliamentary election due later this year.

The appointments included a former Olympic rower, Adam Korol, who was named sports and tourism minister, and Marian Zembala, a celebrated heart surgeon, who is to be the new minister for health, Kopacz told a news conference.

Kopacz said in a televised address she had also picked Andrzej Czerwinski as the new treasury minister, whose job it is to oversee the state’s shares in public companies.

Czerwinski, a member of parliament with Kopacz’s centre-right Civic Platform party, is head of a parliamentary energy panel.

http://www.euronews.com/newswires/3025507-polish-pm-appoints-political-novices-to-her-struggling-government/

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