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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 05:33 AM Jul 2015

Debt-financed consumption caused the Greek crisis, not the bank bailout: Spengler

http://atimes.com/2015/07/debt-financed-consumption-caused-the-greek-crisis-not-the-bank-bailout/

Debt-financed consumption caused the Greek crisis, not the bank bailout: Spengler
By David P. Goldman on July 8, 2015

Mark Blyth, a Brown University economist, claims in a Foreign Affairs essay this morning that “Greece was a mere conduit for a [bank] bailout. It was not a recipient of funds in any significant way, despite what is constantly repeated in the media.” That’s misleading, because Greece (as well as Italy) used their membership in Europe’s common currency to finance huge wage increases with borrowed money through the 2000’s. Blyth’s essay, in many ways informative, misses the elephant in the parlor–Greek unit labor costs. It’s true that the rescue loans after 2012 went to Greece’s creditors rather than to the Greeks, but that is because Greece had borrowed massively to finance consumption before that.

It’s certainly true that the 2011-2012 operations of the European Central Bank rescued the creditors of profligate southern tier European sovereigns after a decade of debt accumulation. That was Europe’s subprime crisis, and like the 2008 rescue of American banks, none of the bailout money went to the original debtors. But southern Europeans and American homeowners had already had a decade of debt-financed consumption, and had to suffer the consequences. Should the US government have bailed out homeowners who took out “liar’s loans” with little or no down payment to speculate in the housing market, and paid for the bailout by taxing citizens who prudently declined to do so? Why should Eurozone taxpayers pay for the debt-financed consumption in the Club Med countries?



Unit labor costs in Greece soared in 2010 to 130% of their March 2000 level, the highest growth margin in the whole Eurozone. Of course, they have come crashing down since then (the OECD series stops in 2011). Italy’s unit labor costs rose almost 25%, and Frances by 10%–while German unit labor costs fell by 10%.

To gauge the Greek consumption ekstasis of the 2000’s, I divide the total wages and salaries number from the Greek GDP by the total number of employees. This gauge of wage income per employee nearly doubled, from EUR 21,000 in 2000 to EUR 38,000 in 2010, before falling back to EUR 32,000. Total employment, to be sure, has fallen from a peak of nearly 4.6 million in 2008 to just 3.5 million today, but that is because Greece spent the preceding ten years pricing its labor out of the world marketplace.

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Debt-financed consumption caused the Greek crisis, not the bank bailout: Spengler (Original Post) unhappycamper Jul 2015 OP
So his basic complaint is that they spent the money they were loaned to spend? bemildred Jul 2015 #1
The Greek meltdown is about not being able to pay the vig. unhappycamper Jul 2015 #2
Racketeers are going to racketeer they are. bemildred Jul 2015 #3
IMF, Lew, Tusk, Lagarde call for a haircut now bemildred Jul 2015 #4
The Latest: IMF: Schaeuble says trust follows Greek reforms bemildred Jul 2015 #5
Greece debt crisis: EU comes round to US demands to scrap Greek debt... but Merkel has other plans bemildred Jul 2015 #6
Merkel: Greek debt “haircut” out of question bemildred Jul 2015 #7
Why the Greek referendum was a ruse bemildred Jul 2015 #8

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. So his basic complaint is that they spent the money they were loaned to spend?
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:42 AM
Jul 2015

And who, exactly, is this "Greece" he is talking about? Behind the social fiction of government are and were real people who robbed the public of public monies, not "Greece"; and those guys need to go to jail to warn the others next time they get tempted.

If he was half as concerned about the banksters getting away with things az with "Greece", I'd be a little more interested in what he has to say.

unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
2. The Greek meltdown is about not being able to pay the vig.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 09:54 AM
Jul 2015

In this case the banks who funneled cash into Greece with no conditions want their profit$.

The Greek people will suffer the most.

It's the way the 1% work.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Racketeers are going to racketeer they are.
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:08 AM
Jul 2015

"Rent seeking", Dilbert was good on that today:

http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-07-08

"The ultimate goal is being paid for being nothing but a concept."

A vision of ownership that is all rights and no responsibilities.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. IMF, Lew, Tusk, Lagarde call for a haircut now
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jul 2015

Following a phone conversation with the Greek Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, the President of the European Council, Donald Tusk, called for a proposal on debt sustainability to be included in the deal with Greece.

Calling for an agreement “with no victors and no vanquished” in the European Parliament, on Wednesday, he followed up on Thursday calling for a “realistic proposal from Athens” to be matched by “a realistic proposal from creditors on debt sustainability” for a win-win deal. In doing so, he echoed US treasury secretary Jack Lew, in what has been the strongest public intervention from Washington on Greece to date.

This call by President Tusk comes one day after Greece submitted a single pager bail out application to the European Stability Mechanism, committing to tax and pension scheme reforms. The letter also makes explicit reference to debt relief. Hours earlier, the IMF’s Director, Christine Lagarde, said that any deal must include restructuring or Greece’s massive debt is unsustainable.

Late on Wednesday, the French Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, ruled out Grexit, whilst addressing MPs at the national parliament in Paris. The PM noted that a deal with Athens was “within grasp” and Grexit would be “an admission of impotence” with “geopolitical consequences.”

http://www.neurope.eu/article/tusk-calls-for-a-win-win-deal-with-greece/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. The Latest: IMF: Schaeuble says trust follows Greek reforms
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:11 AM
Jul 2015

Germany's Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble says Greece could start rebuilding trust with its partners in the 19-country eurozone by taking immediate actions to reform its economy.

Schaeuble said at a conference in Frankfurt that "we have always said there need to be prior actions, actions meant to build trust, and I don't see any prior actions."

Schaeuble, who has been skeptical of the Greek government's commitment to reform, conceded the chance of such actions before Sunday's European summit on the Greek crisis was "rather limited."

However, he did say that new Greek Finance Minister Euclid Tsakalotos was "more conventional than his predecessor" - the confrontational Yanis Varoufakis.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GREECE_BAILOUT_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-07-09-09-06-37

bemildred

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6. Greece debt crisis: EU comes round to US demands to scrap Greek debt... but Merkel has other plans
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jul 2015

European Council President Donald Tusk added to US pressure to offer debt relief to Greece on Thursday.

"The realistic proposal from Greece will have to be matched by an equally realistic proposal on debt sustainability from the creditors," Tusk said in a speech in Washington.

But the German Chancellor Angela Merkel ruled out a simple 'haircut', or slashing, of the debt total on Thursday. On a visit to Bosnia, Merkel said Germany had already dealt with the issue of Greece's debt sustainability in 2012. “I have said that a classic haircut is out of the question for me and that hasn’t changed between yesterday and today," she said, according to Reuters.

Pressure is nonetheless mounting for some kind of debt restructuring. Tusk's admission came after comments from officials at two Washington-based institutions on Wednesday pushing for Germany to change its terms.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/greece-debt-crisis-live-ec-leader-adds-to-us-pressure-on-germany-to-scrap-greek-debt-10378134.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
7. Merkel: Greek debt “haircut” out of question
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:13 AM
Jul 2015

The German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, has ruled out slashing the face value of Greece’s government debt, during her latest statements on Thursday.

“In 2012 we dealt with the issue of debt sustainability. We stretched out the maturities, we pushed back the repayment requirement for EFSF loans out to 2020. So we are not dealing with debt sustainability for the first time,” Merkel said when asked about differences with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) over a debt writedown for Greece.

“I have said that a classic haircut is out of the question for me and that hasn’t changed between yesterday and today,” Merkel told Reuters.

http://www.sigmalive.com/en/news/greece/131939/merkel-greek-debt-haircut-out-of-question

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
8. Why the Greek referendum was a ruse
Thu Jul 9, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jul 2015

The Greek referendum can be interpreted as either the genesis of a nationalist political contagion that will destroy the European dream, or as a ruse of history to revive the common project. It is the responsibility of European leaders to realize its potential.

The Greek “No” came only two weeks after the presidents of the European institutions published a lifeless report on the future of the monetary union. Now that we have plunged into terra incognita, the document seems anachronistic, predicting that little will change in the euro area over the next few years. Only existing economic policy instruments will be used. In this shortsighted vision, reviving growth, employment, and investment pertains only to structural reforms, which each country should conduct by itself. Seven years of crisis show that this diminutive strategy is not at all sufficient for the governing of a complex and heterogeneous economy.

Each of us can judge Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’ gambit in our own fashion. But everyone probably understands that the opinion of a people, so starkly expressed, is never irrelevant. It is a response to a question that implicitly lingers not only in Greece, but everywhere: Is the management of the euro area, as it currently stands, consistent with the consensus of its citizens? A “Yes” vote would have justified the “nothing new” approach endorsed by the document of the European presidents. The “No” instead calls for a much more ambitious answer. Despite the chaos that it is causing, Europe must grasp the institutional opportunity offered by this pronouncement of the people before the temptation of nationalism extends to other countries.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order-from-chaos/posts/2015/07/09-greek-referendum-ruse-bastasin

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