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Related: About this forumMemo to Jeb Bush: It was W’s Surge that created ISIL, not Hillary
http://www.juancole.com/2015/08/surge-created-hillary.htmlMemo to Jeb Bush: It was Ws Surge that created ISIL, not Hillary
By Juan Cole | Aug. 12, 2015
Jeb Bush very unwisely went after Hillary Clinton last night on the grounds that her Iraq policies gave us Daesh (ISIS, ISIL). Bush may think he is cleverly pulling a Karl Rove, attacking his opponent on her strong point (foreign policy), as Rove swiftboated John Kerry in 2004. But this isnt 2004, and virtually no one is excited about having more Bushes in the White House (apparently a third of Republicans want Trump and like 12 percent want Bush, despite his advantage in name recognition). The fact is, every time Jeb Bush says Iraq, he loses more votes.
One of the arguments Mr. Bush made was that while his brother, George W. Bush, didnt get everything right, he did have a brilliant moment with the 2007 troop escalation or surge, which put the world right. Then that horrible Obama crew, including Mrs. Cinton, came along and screwed things up by withdrawing from Iraq in 2011.
First of all, saying that W. didnt get everything right in Iraq is like saying that Custer didnt get everything right at the Little Bighorn. Bushs Iraq misadventure was the biggest foreign policy screw-up in American history. Didnt get everything right, indeed.
Second, Jeb Bushs narrative about the surge is mythical history unconnected to reality. See my Engaging the Muslim World for the real story.
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Memo to Jeb Bush: It was W’s Surge that created ISIL, not Hillary (Original Post)
unhappycamper
Aug 2015
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RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)1. Jeb is just another member of the Bush Crime Syndicate
and they all should be rotting in prison.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)2. I knew it
The rapture IS happening.
one brain cell at a time.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)3. Jeb is a clown.
Blaming ISIS on Clinton is patently fucking ridiculous.
But idiot Fox viewers will believe it.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)4. That's what's so especially sickening.
The idiots that believe the spewage.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)5. It's all I can do not to bang my head against my desk some days....
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)6. I so know what you mean.
That's why I make such a big deal about media, which is so pervasive.
The targeted lies for corporate agenda are why people are so stupid.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)7. Indeed
The M$M works its magic to obfuscate facts to present a 'truth' that is a fiction.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)9. Yes. Ugh it makes me enraged.
Can't stand it.
Gothmog
(145,545 posts)8. Jeb is one of the original neocons and does not live in the real world
Jeb's speech on Iraq was very very stupid
MisterP
(23,730 posts)10. right, the FSA has NOTHING to do with ISIS! the Foggy Bottom types would NEVER shortsightedly
think they could give Putin a black eye by hiring some Salafists Riyadh just happened to have lying around--it worked out so well in Libya!