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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 07:00 AM Aug 2015

Memo to Jeb Bush: It was W’s Surge that created ISIL, not Hillary

http://www.juancole.com/2015/08/surge-created-hillary.html

Memo to Jeb Bush: It was W’s Surge that created ISIL, not Hillary
By Juan Cole | Aug. 12, 2015

Jeb Bush very unwisely went after Hillary Clinton last night on the grounds that her Iraq policies gave us Daesh (ISIS, ISIL). Bush may think he is cleverly pulling a Karl Rove, attacking his opponent on her strong point (foreign policy), as Rove swiftboated John Kerry in 2004. But this isn’t 2004, and virtually no one is excited about having more Bushes in the White House (apparently a third of Republicans want Trump and like 12 percent want Bush, despite his advantage in name recognition). The fact is, every time Jeb Bush says “Iraq,” he loses more votes.

One of the arguments Mr. Bush made was that while his brother, George W. Bush, didn’t get everything right, he did have a brilliant moment with the 2007 troop escalation or “surge,” which put the world right. Then that horrible Obama crew, including Mrs. Cinton, came along and screwed things up by withdrawing from Iraq in 2011.

First of all, saying that W. didn’t get everything right in Iraq is like saying that Custer didn’t get everything right at the Little Bighorn. Bush’s Iraq misadventure was the biggest foreign policy screw-up in American history. Didn’t get everything right, indeed.

Second, Jeb Bush’s narrative about the “surge” is mythical history unconnected to reality. See my Engaging the Muslim World for the real story.
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Memo to Jeb Bush: It was W’s Surge that created ISIL, not Hillary (Original Post) unhappycamper Aug 2015 OP
Jeb is just another member of the Bush Crime Syndicate RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #1
I knew it JackInGreen Aug 2015 #2
Jeb is a clown. blackspade Aug 2015 #3
That's what's so especially sickening. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2015 #4
It's all I can do not to bang my head against my desk some days.... blackspade Aug 2015 #5
I so know what you mean. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2015 #6
Indeed blackspade Aug 2015 #7
Yes. Ugh it makes me enraged. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2015 #9
Jeb is one of the original neocons and does not live in the real world Gothmog Aug 2015 #8
right, the FSA has NOTHING to do with ISIS! the Foggy Bottom types would NEVER shortsightedly MisterP Aug 2015 #10

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
3. Jeb is a clown.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:02 AM
Aug 2015

Blaming ISIS on Clinton is patently fucking ridiculous.

But idiot Fox viewers will believe it.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
6. I so know what you mean.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 10:57 AM
Aug 2015

That's why I make such a big deal about media, which is so pervasive.

The targeted lies for corporate agenda are why people are so stupid.

Gothmog

(145,545 posts)
8. Jeb is one of the original neocons and does not live in the real world
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 11:50 AM
Aug 2015

Jeb's speech on Iraq was very very stupid

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
10. right, the FSA has NOTHING to do with ISIS! the Foggy Bottom types would NEVER shortsightedly
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 01:26 PM
Aug 2015

think they could give Putin a black eye by hiring some Salafists Riyadh just happened to have lying around--it worked out so well in Libya!

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