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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:01 AM Dec 2015

Turkish soldiers training Iraqi troops near Mosul: sources

Several hundred Turkish soldiers have been deployed to provide training for Iraqi troops in an area near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, which is under Islamic State control, a Turkish security source told Reuters on Friday.

Islamic State militants overran Mosul, a city of more than one million people, in June 2014, but a much anticipated counter-offensive by Iraqi forces has been repeatedly postponed because they are involved in fighting elsewhere.

"Turkish soldiers have reached the Mosul Bashiqa region. They are there as part of routine training exercises. One battalion has crossed into the region," the source said, declining to say exactly how many soldiers had been deployed.

He said troops had already been in Iraqi Kurdistan and had moved to Mosul accompanied by armored vehicles, in a move which coalition countries targeting Islamic State were aware of.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-turkey-idUSKBN0TN2HZ20151205

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Turkish soldiers training Iraqi troops near Mosul: sources (Original Post) bemildred Dec 2015 OP
Mosul Dam at risk of collapse bemildred Dec 2015 #1
Turkish forces arrive at outskirts of Mosul ahead of liberating it bemildred Dec 2015 #2
Turkish soldiers enter northern Iraq, Baghdad demands swift withdrawal bemildred Dec 2015 #3
. nt bemildred Dec 2015 #4
Yikes.....n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #7
Turkish military to have a base in Iraq's Mosul (Hürriyet) Ghost Dog Dec 2015 #5
More like training troops in Mosul. Jesus Malverde Dec 2015 #6
IS oil smuggling to Turkey insignificant: US official - Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #8
"Mere billions, almost nothing ..." nt bemildred Dec 2015 #12
lol That was my reaction too..no big deal..nothing to see here. n/t Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #13
Harry Sterling: Turkey’s Erdogan accused of aiding ISIS Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #9
It's odd; last year they were also there training the peshmerga muriel_volestrangler Dec 2015 #10
Barzani is in the smuggled oil trade too. bemildred Dec 2015 #11
Stalin did somethng similar PeoViejo Dec 2015 #27
NATO taunts Russia, Turkey makes hay bemildred Dec 2015 #14
This is a chilling read. A bit more... KoKo Dec 2015 #15
He is interesting and informative. bemildred Dec 2015 #16
Barzani... KoKo Dec 2015 #18
About your excerpt: bemildred Dec 2015 #21
.... KoKo Dec 2015 #30
That is true too, that is what I call the "Monkey Politics" of it. bemildred Dec 2015 #31
!..... KoKo Dec 2015 #34
Much too sensible, no obvious immediate pecuniary reward, like you say, never happen. bemildred Dec 2015 #37
Iraq demands withdrawal of Turkish troops near Mosul Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #17
Russia accuses US of cover-up over IS oil smuggling to Turkey Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #19
...! KoKo Dec 2015 #20
... KoKo Dec 2015 #33
Accomodations will need to be made........ KoKo Dec 2015 #36
Syria slams Turkey over troop deployment in Iraq bemildred Dec 2015 #22
Turkey 'astonished' by Iran charges of ISIS support bemildred Dec 2015 #23
lol Turkey is astonished they're exposed perhaps. Iran took down the news? I don't know what the Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #25
He is thrashing around a lot, he is. bemildred Dec 2015 #26
A new approach to Syria bemildred Dec 2015 #24
It's more reasonable than what they're doing now..but that's an understatement. Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #28
I am seeing the Lebanese model discussed in other places too. bemildred Dec 2015 #29
That's encouraging, at least the model is getting out there. Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #32
Iran: It’s our ‘duty’ to mediate in Turkey-Russia spat Jefferson23 Dec 2015 #35

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. Mosul Dam at risk of collapse
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:02 AM
Dec 2015

DOHUK, Kurdistan Region— The Mosul Dam is at risk of collapsing in several areas and the safety of Iraq’s second largest city is at risk, said the director of the dam, who is calling for urgent action.

“If it collapses, most of the city of Mosul will be flooded and up to half a million people could immediately be endangered,” Riyaz Izzadin, the dam director, told Rudaw on Wednesday.

Izzadin said last year’s airstrikes and clashes between Peshmerga forces and Islamic State militants have “substantially” damaged parts of the dam, which stretches 3 kilometers and towers 113 meters. It provides the city of Mosul 750 megawatts of power.

“The US personnel are frequently visiting the dam and are well aware of the dangers, but they don’t want to say it to us openly,” Izzadin said, adding that it could trigger panic among residents in Nineveh province.

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/04122015

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Turkish soldiers enter northern Iraq, Baghdad demands swift withdrawal
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:05 AM
Dec 2015

Baghdad says the entry of a battalion of Turkish troops is a violation of its sovereignty. Iraq's foreign ministry has described the activity as "an incursion" and demanded the immediate withdrawal of Turkish forces.

In a statement released early on Saturday, Iraq's foreign ministry hit out at the apparent deployment of several hundred Turkish troops to an area near Mosul.

It demanded that the soldiers - who were sent to provide training for troops loyal to a regional governor - withdraw immediately, describing their entry as a violation of its sovereignty.

The statement, broadcast on state TV, described the Turkish deployment as "an incursion," adding that the military operation was not coordinated with the federal government in Baghdad.

http://www.dw.com/en/turkish-soldiers-enter-northern-iraq-baghdad-demands-swift-withdrawal/a-18896263

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
5. Turkish military to have a base in Iraq's Mosul (Hürriyet)
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:23 AM
Dec 2015
Turkey will have a permanent military base in the Bashiqa region of Mosul as the Turkish forces in the region training the Peshmerga forces have been reinforced, Hürriyet reported.

The deal regarding the base was signed between Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) President Massoud Barzani and Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioğlu, during the latter’s visit to northern Iraq on Nov. 4.

At least 150 Turkish soldiers, accompanied by 20-25 tanks, were deployed to the area by land late on Dec. 4, Anadolu Agency reported.

For more than two years, Turkey has had a group of soldiers in Bashiqa, located 32 kilometers north of Mosul, which is under Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) control. The soldiers have been training the Peshmerga forces and other anti-ISIL groups.

Some 150 Turkish soldiers and 20 tanks were deployed to the base to take over the mission from the 90 soldiers who have been in the region for two years...

/... http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-military-to-have-a-base-in-iraqs-mosul.aspx?pageID=238&nID=92113&NewsCatID=352

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. IS oil smuggling to Turkey insignificant: US official -
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:09 AM
Dec 2015
I guess that depends on what significant means, and a host of other wtf questions



The State Department has dismissed Moscow's charge against its NATO ally

The amount of oil smuggled into Turkey from areas of Syria controlled by the Islamic State group is economically insignificant, the United States said on Friday, after Moscow accused Ankara of profiting from the trade.

US officials said coalition air operations have seriously degraded IS's oil infrastructure, but that in any case most of the crude pumped from its wells was absorbed inside Syria's war zone economy.

Russia and Turkey have in recent days traded allegations that they are involved in the illegal trade, further ratcheting up tensions after Turkish jets downed a Russian bomber on the Syrian border.

"The amount of oil being smuggled is extremely low and has decreased over time and is of no significance from a volume perspective - both volume of oil and volume of revenue," said Amos Hochstein, US special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs.

- See more at: http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/oil-smuggling-turkey-insignificant-us-official-1088049296#sthash.YtSC3TJe.dpuf

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
9. Harry Sterling: Turkey’s Erdogan accused of aiding ISIS
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:21 AM
Dec 2015

snip* Interestingly, when U.S. officials were asked to comment on the veracity of the claim, an American military officer reportedly admitted such massive shipments were known to be taking place.

When asked why the U.S. had not done something about the illegal shipments, the officer said the U.S. had to find a way to adequately warn the truck drivers involved in the shipments — who might be unaware of the shipment’s illegality — that they would be attacked by military aircraft if shipments proceeded.

Many in Canada might understandably find it difficult to believe that Turkey, a NATO ally, might be involved in assisting ISIS, which badly needs the huge revenues from the oilfields it still controls. But those familiar with President Erdogan won’t be completely surprised by his purported involvement in helping ISIS obtain oil revenue to support its control in the region.

In recent times, Erdogan and members of his ruling party, along some family members including Bilal, were accused of involvement in receiving large-scale illegal payments in Turkey from various sources.

Erdogan, then the prime minister, used his office to have almost every important official investigating the corruption scandal either transferred or dismissed, despite seemingly credible evidence of his own involvement in the payoffs.

Many Turks, long accustomed to Erdogan’s determination to use any means to advance his political and other objectives, believe he provoked a crisis with Kurdish guerrilla fighters in order to rally the Turkish population around his ruling party in recent elections.

- See more at: http://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/columnists/harry-sterling-turkey-s-erdogan-accused-of-aiding-isis-1.2126760#sthash.KKncJl4h.dpuf

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
10. It's odd; last year they were also there training the peshmerga
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:41 AM
Dec 2015

and apparently about to train the Iraqi national army too:

World | Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:56pm EST Related: WORLD, IRAQ

Turkey trains Kurdish peshmerga forces in fight against Islamic State

Turkish soldiers are training Kurdish peshmerga fighters in northern Iraq and will give similar assistance to a new national army unit in Baghdad as part of the struggle against Islamic State, a senior Turkish official said on Saturday.

Turkish soldiers began special forces training with Kurdish fighters in northern Iraq three weeks ago, peshmerga spokesman Brigadier General Halgurd Hikmat said. The Turkish official said similar assistance would be given to Iraq's National Guard.

"Turkey has already started training peshmerga forces in northern Iraq ... and we have agreed to train and give assistance to the National Guard," the official said.
...
Abadi announced plans in September for a new National Guard unit intended to incorporate local fighters and deprive Islamic State of safe havens by allowing Iraq's provinces to be responsible for their own security.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-iraq-idUSKCN0J60B720141122

And given how much the Turkish government hates the Kurds inside Turkey, it seems strange they were apparently training Kurds just across the border.

Turkey vows to support Iraqi military, train police
By Associated Press 15/7/2015

Turkey's foreign minister says his country will continue to provide military assistance to back Iraq's fight against Islamic State militants.

At a joint news conference with visiting Iraqi Foreign Minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari on Tuesday, Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu also said Turkey would meet an Iraqi request to train its police force.

The Turkish minister said, however, that Iraq's army was in need of restructuring.

Cavusoglu said Turkey had trained more than 1,600 Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga fighters as well as more than 1,500 guards in Mosul, Iraq's second-largest city.

"We have always stood by Iraq and its people in the fight against Daesh and will continue to do so," Cavusoglu said, using the Arabic acronym of the ISIS group.

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/turkey/15072015

It's hard to work out who trusts whom, and who plays more than one side of a conflict when it suits them.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Barzani is in the smuggled oil trade too.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:41 AM
Dec 2015

Everybody does seem to have been forced far off script by events.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
27. Stalin did somethng similar
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

Worried that Partisan forces in Europe might be a threat to Soviet Occupation, Stalin gave many weapons and pressed them into the fight. The support being substantial, and was enough to encourage the Partisans. They took so many casualties, that by the Soviets arrived, few were left to cause trouble.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
14. NATO taunts Russia, Turkey makes hay
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:04 AM
Dec 2015

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The NATO’s supreme deputy commander General Adrian Bradshaw was frank about the alliance’s objective when he said recently, “Freedom of navigation (in the Mediterranean) is fundamentally important to NATO. As we observe the deployment of more sophisticated (Russian) capabilities with considerable reach, it becomes more and more important that we refresh our deterrence”.

Clearly, the Russian-Turkish tensions have provided the alibi for the NATO to boost its military presence in the Middle East and Eastern Mediterranean even as the alliance counsels Moscow and Ankara to “deescalate”. The NATO meeting on Wednesday stated that Turkey is on the frontlines of regional stability to the south, and, therefore, the alliance will beef up its maritime and missile defences as well as send more surveillance drones to its “highly unstable” border with Syria.

In Stoltenberg’s words, “We (NATO) have approved a new strategy on hybrid warfare. We are also improving our intelligence and early warning mechanisms to help us better understand the region and increase our situational awareness”.

Suffice it to say, NATO has decided to send a stark message to Moscow that it cannot hope to dominate Syria (or Iraq), and if it persists on the present path, Turkey will resist Russia (and Iran) on the ground under NATO protection. Thus, in rapid moves, British, French and German warplanes are being deployed in Incirlik; hundreds of German military personnel are arriving in Incirlik; Italy has decided to deploy Patriot missiles in Turkey (a similar move by Spain is expected); Denmark is dispatching frigates to protect Turkey from Russia’s S-400 missiles and to provide electronic intelligence through jammers; US has decided to keep the USS Donald Cook in the region (equipped with Aegis missile defence systems and Tomahawk missiles that can protect Turkey from ballistic missile attacks).

http://atimes.com/2015/12/nato-taunts-russia-turkey-makes-hay/

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
15. This is a chilling read. A bit more...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:32 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Sat Dec 5, 2015, 04:18 PM - Edit history (1)

M.K. Bhadrakumar seems to have had a pretty good track record in reporting. Is that your impression? I had wondered what the hustle was for UK and Germany to get the votes to to enter into the Syrian situation. Didn't know about the Montenegro vote into NATO, but it all fits into as he says: The Game is Afoot...

-----------------

Interestingly, alongside the above deployments and the provocative decision on Montenegro’s admission as NATO member, the meeting in Brussels on Wednesday also brushed up the Ukraine file, affirming the alliance’s continued political and “practical support” to that country.

All things taken into account, Moscow’s disclosure last week that it has delivered S-300 missile system to Iran should be seen in perspective. Moscow anticipates that a showdown over Syria and Iraq may be nearing what with the West inciting Turkey to challenge the current Russian and Iranian thrust in the conflict zones in Syria and Iraq.

Moscow’s assessment is borne out by the latest news that Turkey has made a stunning move to rush a battalion of crack troops with tanks and heavy artillery in Mosul in the night of Thursday. At a stroke, the great game tensions have assumed dangerous proportions. Turkey did not take permission from the Iraqi government. Baghdad has reacted furiously calling the “incursion” a gross violation of the country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and demanding that Ankara should withdraw the troops from Iraqi soil, while Ankara maintains, funnily, that its troops hope to provide “training” to the Iraqi forces.

The big question is why Turkey has acted like this. The Turkish incursion closely follows the NATO meeting in Brussels just a day earlier, which decided to strengthen Turkey’s defences. Typically, the US and NATO will now maintain that they have had nothing to do with the Turkish incursion into Iraq, but it doesn’t need any ingenuity to figure out what is afoot.

Ankara knows jolly well that Iran has special interests in Iraq. The return of Turkish troops to Mosul after nearly a century becomes a poignant moment in Middle East’s modern history. Turkey had never reconciled itself with the loss of the great oil fields in the region to the north of Mosul (under the settlement following the so-called “Arab Revolt” and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.) The great difference today, of course, is that Britain and France are Turkey’s allies and Turkey itself can take shelter under NATO wings.

To be sure, Syria and Iraq are fast becoming the setting of a first rate showdown between Turkey, a NATO member country, on one side and Russia and Iran on the other. There is no need to second guess where the allegiance of the US or the NATO will lie if the push comes to shove.]

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
16. He is interesting and informative.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:44 PM
Dec 2015

He sometimes, as in this case IMHO, pushes his theorizing beyond what the facts allow.

He has a certain point of view, as we all do.

As Jefferson said: Yikes.

And as I have said before about the War Party, they always double down, they never give up until they are removed. And that is what we see here, continued attempts at provocation.

There have been political games going on in Iraqi Kurdistan for some weeks, I have not paid it much attention, but I would wager it is connected with this story about Turkey training Iraqi forces, the question is why is Turkey wanting to train Barzani's forces? Or is that a cover story?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
18. Barzani...
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 07:06 PM
Dec 2015

Yes that one with the "Godfather" sounding Mafia like name that both Pepe and V.J. Prashad pointed out controls the oil smuggling along with Erdogan's son. It must have been devastating for Erdogan (and, others) to see that info come out in the media.

As to the Bhadrakumar article...it leaves one thinking that the "PTB" decided Russia was getting to much recognition in Syria and decided to make a stand to take attention away to regain control of the "narrative" for NATO interests.

I did think Bhadrakumar was off a bit thinking that Spain would come in given after the Madrid Bombing they pulled back support in the ME. But, then, he might be seeing something there, that while sounding conspiratorial, (the ""Game is Afoot&quot , could have a bit, or maybe more, of truth as things unfold. The differing reporting gets to be OTT sometimes. Still, good to see it.

From the article:

Thus, in rapid moves, British, French and German warplanes are being deployed in Incirlik; hundreds of German military personnel are arriving in Incirlik; Italy has decided to deploy Patriot missiles in Turkey (a similar move by Spain is expected); Denmark is dispatching frigates to protect Turkey from Russia’s S-400 missiles and to provide electronic intelligence through jammers; US has decided to keep the USS Donald Cook in the region (equipped with Aegis missile defence systems and Tomahawk missiles that can protect Turkey from ballistic missile attacks).


On Edit:

It's still "All about the Oil Control" and the special interests...........in the end.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
21. About your excerpt:
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 10:06 AM
Dec 2015

1.) Yes, I see you found it.

2.) There are other explanations. Let me ask you, do you see our current ruling elites in the West suddenly coming together in an outburst of competence? I find it most unlikely, and my current hypothesis as to why the various EUcrats are suddenly hot to get some war on is Paris, the refugees, the need to show solidarity, and the fear of being left out. Not Russia. The Baltic states fear Russia, not France.

Edit:

3.) Which is not to say that the Neocons are not trying to stir the pot in Syria, they are, but they show little sign of having an actual plan, as usual, and they continue to play catchup as other people make the moves.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
30. ....
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:46 PM
Dec 2015

I think I over reacted to his article.

In my interpretation of his article, I saw him suggesting that Russia's intervention in Syria with their aggressive actions in bombing the oil tanker transports and success in destroying some of the Isis Operations made Turkey and NATO very uncomfortable.

When Russia revealed the Turkish Smuggling Operations and put out their own surveillance videos of the shooting down of the Russian fighter jet (concluding that Turkey intentionally shot it down) this was an affront to NATO. The decision was made by the NATO brass that there needed to be a show of solidarity by the allies to confront what was seen as Russia as assuming too much international attention and control in Syria and needed to smacked down for defying a NATO member.

As you point out, though. Its probably more about stemming the Refugee crisis that Germany and France are involved in the bombings and nothing much to do with the Turkey/Russia dispute.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
31. That is true too, that is what I call the "Monkey Politics" of it.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:57 PM
Dec 2015

Whose ego has been bruised by events, who has been exposed as a fool, who has had their delusions of grandeur punctured, and which bystanders must pay for the affront.

A lot of the Putin bashing has that sort of motivation behind it, it's not just that he is a pejorative-of-your-choice, it's that he showed us up, insults us, and thwarts our plans. It's a staple of US "information outreach" to go after such people. Something to keep the media busy when there are no political campaigns.

But usually that sort of thing can wait, is not allowed to get out of hand, business comes first. And that is what I expect here, after a decent interval of threats and whining.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
34. !.....
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:24 PM
Dec 2015

Accommodations will need to be made for Barzini and the Erdogan progeny. Payoffs, bribes...alternative investments.

"Reconstruction of Syria/Iraq/Libya" might be an incentive to get things moving somewhere down the line. Provide housing and jobs for those who wish to return. An investment for the future in something other than destruction. That's if there's any habital land left after this much bombing and the toxic waste it leaves behind. Still, as China slows and the Eurozone has embraced austerity for awhile longer --surely the investment money of the 1% can find something to make profit out of the ME that is more beneficial than profiting off of WMD and endless war.

Never happen, though.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
37. Much too sensible, no obvious immediate pecuniary reward, like you say, never happen.
Mon Dec 7, 2015, 08:25 AM
Dec 2015

Although I do see such ideas timidly suggested here and there.

I remember the Marshall Plan and the Berlin Airlift, we are governed by mental and moral midgets, and I mean no offense to actual midgets. All they care about in the world is getting re-elected and staying connected to the money and power spigot.

And God only knows what the morons at the Pentagon and the spooks think they are up to, it must be pretty bizarre though.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
17. Iraq demands withdrawal of Turkish troops near Mosul
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 05:21 PM
Dec 2015
Bizarro world..it's fine you're here..we're cool and the other..get the hell out.

Iraq demands withdrawal of Turkish troops near Mosul

Iraq has called on Turkey to withdraw its troops from Iraq's north, calling their presence a violation, but Turkish officials said they were there as part of an agreed training mission.

Iraq's Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said on Saturday that no permission had been given for the stationing of "around one armed battalion" of Turkish soldiers in the northern Nineveh area near Mosul, a city under the control of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group.

Turkey's Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, though, said the troops were there as part of an ongoing training mission at the request of Mosul's governor and in coordination with Iraq's defence ministry.

"No one should arrive at wrong conclusions from our support. Turkey is not after any country's soil," Davutoglu said.

Earlier, a Turkish security source told the Reuters news agency that Turkish troops had already been in Iraq's northern Kurdish region, which is semi-autonomous, and had moved to Mosul accompanied by armoured vehicles, in a move which coalition countries targeting ISIL were aware of.

Al Jazeera's Imran Khan, reporting from the Kurdish region capital Erbil, also said it appeared the Turkish troops were in Iraq at the invitation of the governor of Mosul, Atheel Nujaifi.

"It seems like the government of Mosul has told Baghdad: 'We need more help with fighting ISIL, and if the Turks are willing to offer that help, we will take them up on that'," Khan said.

Iraq's foreign ministry had earlier said in a statement on state television that the Turkish deployment was "an incursion".

snip*US aware

A senior Kurdish military officer based on the Bashiqa front-line told Reuters that additional Turkish trainers had arrived at a camp in the area overnight on Thursday escorted by a Turkish protection force.

"Our soldiers are already in Iraq. A battalion of soldiers has gone there. Training was already being given in that region for the last two to three years. This is a part of that training," a Turkish official told Reuters.

In Washington, two US defence officials said on Friday that the United States was aware of Turkey's deployment, but the move was not part of the US-led coalition's activities.

Turkey has close relations with the Kurdish regional government.


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/iraq-demands-withdrawal-turkish-troops-mosul-151205061510572.html

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
19. Russia accuses US of cover-up over IS oil smuggling to Turkey
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:01 PM
Dec 2015

Moscow (AFP) - Russia's defence ministry on Saturday accused the United States of turning a blind eye to the trafficking of oil into Turkey from Syrian areas under Islamic State control, after Washington called the amounts involved insignificant.

"When US officials say they don't see how the terrorists' oil is smuggled to Turkey... it smells badly of a desire to cover up these acts," the ministry said on its Facebook page.

"The declarations of the Pentagon and the State Department seem like a theatre of the absurd," the statement added, suggesting that Washington "watch the videos taken by its (own) drones which have recently been three times as numerous over the Turkey-Syria border and above the oil zones".

US special envoy and coordinator for international energy affairs, Amos Hochstein, on Friday said the amount of oil smuggled into Turkey from areas of Syria controlled by the Islamic State group is "of no significance from a volume perspective -- both volume of oil and volume of revenue".

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-accuses-us-cover-over-oil-smuggling-turkey-204046827.html

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
36. Accomodations will need to be made........
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 09:19 PM
Dec 2015

Accommodations will need to be made for Barzini and the Erdogan progeny. Payoffs, bribes...alternative investments.

"Reconstruction of Syria/Iraq/Libya" might be an incentive to get things moving somewhere down the line. Provide housing and jobs for those who wish to return. An investment for the future in something other than destruction. That's if there's any habital land left after this much bombing and the toxic waste it leaves behind. Still, as China slows and the Eurozone has embraced austerity for awhile longer --surely the investment money of the 1% can find something to make profit out of the ME that is more beneficial than profiting off of WMD and endless war.

Never happen, though.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
22. Syria slams Turkey over troop deployment in Iraq
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 11:05 AM
Dec 2015

BEIRUT, Dec 6 (Reuters) - Syria slammed Turkey on Sunday for deploying hundreds of troops in neighbouring Iraq, accusing Ankara of playing a "destructive role" against both Arab countries.

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu has described the deployment as a routine rotation of forces that set up a camp almost a year ago near the northern city of Mosul, which is controlled by Islamic State militants.

Davutoglu says the troops had originally been deployed in coordination with Iraqi authorities, but Baghdad demanded the their withdrawal on Saturday.

The Syrian foreign ministry joined the row, saying in a statement that it "condemns the flagrant Turkish violation of Iraqi territory, which comes as a continuation of the destructive role (Ankara) is playing against Syria and Iraq". The statement was carried on Syrian state television.

http://www.trust.org/item/20151206133542-jxv89/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
23. Turkey 'astonished' by Iran charges of ISIS support
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 11:56 AM
Dec 2015

ANKARA - Turkey on Sunday said it was "astonished" by Iranian accusations that Ankara is supporting Islamic State and involved in oil dealing with the jihadists in Iraq and Syria.

Turkish foreign ministry spokesman Tanju Bilgic said in a statement there was nothing in Tehran's accusations to take "seriously."

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Thursday he had warned his Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani over some Iranian media reports that he and his family were involved in oil trade with ISIS jihadists.

Erdogan said that he spoke with Rouhani on the phone and told him: "You will pay a high price if it continues like that." He added that the Iranians later removed the news from their website.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=74279

“I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on here!” (The croupier hands him his money.) “…Your winnings, sir.” “Oh, thank you very much!”

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
25. lol Turkey is astonished they're exposed perhaps. Iran took down the news? I don't know what the
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:05 PM
Dec 2015

wording was but pretty brass set of Erdogan to use threatening language like that.
I guess he is emboldened by the NATO hugs.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
26. He is thrashing around a lot, he is.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:09 PM
Dec 2015

The piece that follows this is an interesting effort in the direction of settling things down though, from a Turkish source.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
24. A new approach to Syria
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 11:59 AM
Dec 2015

Turkish-American relations are at an impasse over the Kurdish question in Syria. Washington's top priority in Syria is to defeat the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) and to use proxy forces such as Syrian Kurds as the most effective boots on the ground. Ankara, wary of its own Kurdish population and particularly the militant Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), is extremely reluctant to see Syrian Kurds armed and otherwise assisted by Washington. At the heart of the problem is the fact that Syrian Kurds are mostly aligned with the PKK.

There are no easy answers here but there may in fact be a plausible path forward -- a strategy that, if Washington were to adopt it, could assuage many Turkish concerns and lead to gradual progress in the campaign to put real military pressure on both ISIL and the Bashar al-Assad regime. The first element of the new strategy begins with a more realistic framing of the military goals of the international coalition opposing both Assad and ISIL. Washington must take the lead on this. The starting point is to begin with a vision for the future of Syria based on a confederation.

Declaring such a goal could help reconcile, or at least “de-conflict,” American and Turkish views on the conflict. By now, it must be clear that aspiring to a strong successor government to the Assad regime is hoping for a miracle. Even if such a government could be constructed on paper, what army is going to give it authority? A confederal model for Syria, though still ambitious, could help reduce the chasm between ends and means, making the strategy more credible.

http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist/omer-taspinar/a-new-approach-to-syria_406246.html

Jefferson23

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28. It's more reasonable than what they're doing now..but that's an understatement.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:29 PM
Dec 2015

Erdogan's reaction, cooperation?

, Ankara should immediately restart negotiations with the organization and this time quickly deliver on its promises of democratic reforms and a new constitution.

Competing agendas abound, unfortunately.

bemildred

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29. I am seeing the Lebanese model discussed in other places too.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 12:46 PM
Dec 2015

There was one in a British mag. I read earlier.

And realisticially, that is about as unified as Syria is likely to be for a while.

Jefferson23

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32. That's encouraging, at least the model is getting out there.
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:10 PM
Dec 2015

The shape Syria is in now, if those goals were achieved it would seem
like a state of nirvana for those poor people...safe bet they'd agree.

Jefferson23

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35. Iran: It’s our ‘duty’ to mediate in Turkey-Russia spat
Sun Dec 6, 2015, 01:29 PM
Dec 2015

AFP, Tehran Sunday, 6 December 2015

Iran said on Sunday it was its “duty” to mediate between Russia and Turkey as they trade accusations of buying oil from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

“Iran has a duty to reduce tensions between Russia and Turkey and it’s not good to have another tension added to the existing ones in the region,” Ali Akbar Velayati, an advisor to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, was quoted as saying by the official Irna news agency.

Russia and Iran are major backers of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime.

Ankara is supporting rebels fighting Assad and earlier this year joined a U.S.-led coalition bombing ISIS in Syria.

Turkey is currently at loggerheads with Russia after downing one of Moscow’s warplanes on November 24.

Russia has accused Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his family of involvement in the oil trade with ISIS -- charges blasted as “slander” and “immoral” by the Turkish strongman.

Erdogan last week hit back, saying Turkey had “proof” that Moscow was buying oil from the miltiants in Syria.

Iranian media then picked up Russia’s claims prompting Erdogan to lash out at his Iranian counterpart.

Erdogan said he had warned President Hassan Rouhani in a telephone conversation that Iran would “pay a high price if it continues” to accuse Ankara.

Mohsen Rezaie, secretary of Iran’s Expediency Council, said Iranian military advisors on the ground in Iraq and Syria had images of IS oil trucks going to Turkey.

But Velayati later told state television the evidence Russia had released to support its claims meant “there is no need to publish more documents.”

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/12/06/Iran-It-s-our-duty-to-mediate-in-Turkey-Russia-spat.html

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