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Related: About this forumSomething is very, very off about this US citizen who was arrested as a spy in Russia...
TL;DRIt looks to me like he could be a russian double-agent.
Paul Whelan regularly travelled to Russia. He had a few friends in Russia. He had a Vkontakte-account (the russian version of Facebook).
On December 22nd 2018 he travelled to Russia to attend a wedding. In a meeting, somebody handed him a USB-stick with a top-secret list of names. And then he was arrested by the FSB as a spy.
So far, so good. Looks like he was a US-spy.
* Except that Carter Page, George Papadopolous and Mike Flynn also were big fans of Russia and they had low-level contacts with the FSB.
* Except that Paul Whelan was a Trumper.
* Except that Paul Whelan is an ex-Marine who had been court-martialed and dishonorably discharged for larceny. (Which means, he's a greedy character.)
And it gets weirder:
* Paul Whelan has dual citizenship for the US and for the UK. (Russian spies are very active in the UK.)
* Paul Whelan gets a court-appointed lawyer. (What are the odds that the FSB controlled that decision?) Vladimir Zherebenkov is a soviet-era investigator (What are the odds that he works for the FSB?) who has no experience whatsoever defending foreigners or clients with espionage-charges.
* Paul Whelan immediately accepts Vladimir Zherebenkov as his lawyer before his family in the US has a chance to hire someone else.
* Vladimir Zherebenkov immediately praises the professionalism of the FSB in a public interview and muses that the evidence against his client must be really strong if the FSB arrested Paul Whelan. (A lawyer condemning his own client via guilt-by-association???)
* Vladimir Zherebenkov immediately proposes a spy-swap: Paul Whelan vs Maria Butina. (His client has not been sentenced as a spy yet...)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-lawyer-for-alleged-us-spy-says-lets-make-a-deal-but-not-too-soon?ref=home
It seems obvious: Russia arrested a US-citizen on trumped-up charges, gives him a government-controlled lawyer and proposes swapping him for their own spy.
But what if there's another layer of subterfuge beneath that?
Paul Whelan could very well be a russian agent in the mold of Carter Page, George Papadopolous and Mike Flynn.
That's why Paul Whelan has UK-citizenship.
That's why Paul Whelan immediately accepted his obviously tainted lawyer.
Because he knew that it's all for show.
What better way is there to ingratiate Paul Whelan as a spy in the US national security apparatus and as a celebrity in the public mind than to paint him as a victim?
And who in the US would dare to charge Paul Whelan as a russian spy if Russia had previously charged him as a spy on obvious and blatant trumped-up charges?
Can you even IMAGINE the headlines and the public outrage if the NSA dared to arrest poor, poor Paul Whelan for espionage?
And lastly, would a greedy character like Paul Whelan agree to be a celebrity by day and to spy for Russia by night?
HootieMcBoob
(3,823 posts)The whole thing has not smelled right from the very beginning. How does the whole spy swap thing work? Does it only have to be approved by The President or does Congress have any say over it?
elmac
(4,642 posts)and I already see threads on DU helping the Russians so things all about to get interesting.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)All negotiations with Russia must be put under a microscope considering we have a Russian asset occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)Set up one of your own assets as an American spy...
Swap him for another asset held in the United States
Make him a hero/victim in America
Have him infiltrate American media and society to influence further Russian causes in the U.S....
John LeCarre' would be proud.
NeoGreen
(4,031 posts)...I knew he wasn't working for a US agency, let alone an Intelligence Agency.
Compromised Much?
Your analysis sure doesn't paint a good picture for Mr. Whelan.
Who's Pawn is He?
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)This has smelled rotten since the very beginning and I have no doubt that this is a ploy by the Russians to propose a "swap for Butina".
Whatever intel that Mrs Butina May have mist be extraordinarily damaging to, not only American political figures, but Russian political figures as well.
groundloop
(11,518 posts)I had thought this sounded fishy from the start, but hadn't known that Whelan wasn't honorably discharged from the military. Everything adds up, he'll give Tiny and Putin a plausible excuse to send Butina back to Russia.
global1
(25,242 posts)ScratchCat
(1,988 posts)I'm glad the media is checking this out.
I opined yesterday that I believed Whelan could be complicit in the whole thing, now I am certain he is.
IggleDuer
(964 posts)... hire a dishonorably discharged person to a high-level security position?
Mrs. Overall
(6,839 posts)Thanks. This gives more info about this questionable arrest than Ive seen.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)that this guy was a sacrifice for Butina. It's all a game. Our State department is silent. Why do they want Butina? They didn't even know who she was, remember? I don't really see anything wrong in what Butina did anyway. To me the criminals are the NRA and tRump. They are the ones that knowingly allowed a foreign nation to buy our election. They are the ones that would sell our country to the highest bidder.
GopherGal
(2,008 posts)but they have to take Trump, too.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)traded and on a plane to Russia before she can testify in court.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)Will she be a hero or suffer a fate worse than polonium poisoning?
-90% Jimmy
PS - it's my personal HUNCH that the Trump family has been turning in the identities of spys or people of interest that countries like SA and Turkey and Russia want "eliminated". If anybody would perform such treasonous treachery for money, it would be this bunch of sociopaths!
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Putin's bombs, set the fuses, got caught, told the FBI some truths and some lies, and now it time to go home to Mother Russia -- as a hero.
ScratchCat
(1,988 posts)from the Irish consolate and the other countries from which he holds passports. So, not sure how this reflects upon the claims in this article now.
soryang
(3,299 posts)He was sentenced to 60 days restriction, reduction to pay grade
E-4, and, a bad-conduct discharge. The convening authority
approved the sentence as adjudged.
No brig time either which is kind of weird.
By military standards for what he was found guilty of, it's a light sentence:
attempted
larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a
false official statement, wrongfully using anothers social
security number,1 and ten specifications of making and uttering
checks without having sufficient funds in his account
No brig time? Only busted two grades?