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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 07:38 AM Jan 2019

Something is very, very off about this US citizen who was arrested as a spy in Russia...

TL;DR
It looks to me like he could be a russian double-agent.






Paul Whelan regularly travelled to Russia. He had a few friends in Russia. He had a Vkontakte-account (the russian version of Facebook).

On December 22nd 2018 he travelled to Russia to attend a wedding. In a meeting, somebody handed him a USB-stick with a top-secret list of names. And then he was arrested by the FSB as a spy.



So far, so good. Looks like he was a US-spy.

* Except that Carter Page, George Papadopolous and Mike Flynn also were big fans of Russia and they had low-level contacts with the FSB.

* Except that Paul Whelan was a Trumper.

* Except that Paul Whelan is an ex-Marine who had been court-martialed and dishonorably discharged for larceny. (Which means, he's a greedy character.)



And it gets weirder:

* Paul Whelan has dual citizenship for the US and for the UK. (Russian spies are very active in the UK.)

* Paul Whelan gets a court-appointed lawyer. (What are the odds that the FSB controlled that decision?) Vladimir Zherebenkov is a soviet-era investigator (What are the odds that he works for the FSB?) who has no experience whatsoever defending foreigners or clients with espionage-charges.

* Paul Whelan immediately accepts Vladimir Zherebenkov as his lawyer before his family in the US has a chance to hire someone else.

* Vladimir Zherebenkov immediately praises the professionalism of the FSB in a public interview and muses that the evidence against his client must be really strong if the FSB arrested Paul Whelan. (A lawyer condemning his own client via guilt-by-association???)

* Vladimir Zherebenkov immediately proposes a spy-swap: Paul Whelan vs Maria Butina. (His client has not been sentenced as a spy yet...)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-lawyer-for-alleged-us-spy-says-lets-make-a-deal-but-not-too-soon?ref=home




It seems obvious: Russia arrested a US-citizen on trumped-up charges, gives him a government-controlled lawyer and proposes swapping him for their own spy.

But what if there's another layer of subterfuge beneath that?

Paul Whelan could very well be a russian agent in the mold of Carter Page, George Papadopolous and Mike Flynn.
That's why Paul Whelan has UK-citizenship.
That's why Paul Whelan immediately accepted his obviously tainted lawyer.
Because he knew that it's all for show.

What better way is there to ingratiate Paul Whelan as a spy in the US national security apparatus and as a celebrity in the public mind than to paint him as a victim?
And who in the US would dare to charge Paul Whelan as a russian spy if Russia had previously charged him as a spy on obvious and blatant trumped-up charges?
Can you even IMAGINE the headlines and the public outrage if the NSA dared to arrest poor, poor Paul Whelan for espionage?

And lastly, would a greedy character like Paul Whelan agree to be a celebrity by day and to spy for Russia by night?
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Something is very, very off about this US citizen who was arrested as a spy in Russia... (Original Post) DetlefK Jan 2019 OP
Very Fishy HootieMcBoob Jan 2019 #1
the russian agent president has his tiny little hands in it you can bet. elmac Jan 2019 #2
Stinks to high heaven The Wizard Jan 2019 #3
Really clever.... ewagner Jan 2019 #4
The moment I heard he had not been Honorably Discharged... NeoGreen Jan 2019 #5
This is all about Butina Docreed2003 Jan 2019 #6
Yes, and it won't take Tiny very long to propose a trade groundloop Jan 2019 #7
Trumped Up Charges...No Pun Intended...tee-hee....ny global1 Jan 2019 #8
Great new details ScratchCat Jan 2019 #9
Why did a large international corporation... IggleDuer Jan 2019 #10
Yes, something is very off with this story, and it will eventually unravel. Mrs. Overall Jan 2019 #11
K/R BadgerMom Jan 2019 #12
I said it from day one... PeeJ52 Jan 2019 #13
They can have Butina... GopherGal Jan 2019 #19
Lazy 0range45 will move at the speed of sound to get Butina NCjack Jan 2019 #14
How will she be treated in Russia if this exchange happens? 90-percent Jan 2019 #15
That little problem was worked out before she ever departed for USA. She placed NCjack Jan 2019 #17
Well, now he has asked for assistance ScratchCat Jan 2019 #16
It was a bad conduct discharge not a DD soryang Jan 2019 #18

HootieMcBoob

(3,823 posts)
1. Very Fishy
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 08:56 AM
Jan 2019

The whole thing has not smelled right from the very beginning. How does the whole spy swap thing work? Does it only have to be approved by The President or does Congress have any say over it?

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
2. the russian agent president has his tiny little hands in it you can bet.
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:01 AM
Jan 2019

and I already see threads on DU helping the Russians so things all about to get interesting.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
3. Stinks to high heaven
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:03 AM
Jan 2019

All negotiations with Russia must be put under a microscope considering we have a Russian asset occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
4. Really clever....
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:08 AM
Jan 2019

Set up one of your own assets as an American spy...

Swap him for another asset held in the United States

Make him a hero/victim in America

Have him infiltrate American media and society to influence further Russian causes in the U.S....

John LeCarre' would be proud.

NeoGreen

(4,031 posts)
5. The moment I heard he had not been Honorably Discharged...
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:09 AM
Jan 2019

...I knew he wasn't working for a US agency, let alone an Intelligence Agency.
Compromised Much?

Your analysis sure doesn't paint a good picture for Mr. Whelan.

Who's Pawn is He?

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
6. This is all about Butina
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:11 AM
Jan 2019

This has smelled rotten since the very beginning and I have no doubt that this is a ploy by the Russians to propose a "swap for Butina".

Whatever intel that Mrs Butina May have mist be extraordinarily damaging to, not only American political figures, but Russian political figures as well.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
7. Yes, and it won't take Tiny very long to propose a trade
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:17 AM
Jan 2019

I had thought this sounded fishy from the start, but hadn't known that Whelan wasn't honorably discharged from the military. Everything adds up, he'll give Tiny and Putin a plausible excuse to send Butina back to Russia.

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
9. Great new details
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:30 AM
Jan 2019

I'm glad the media is checking this out.

I opined yesterday that I believed Whelan could be complicit in the whole thing, now I am certain he is.

IggleDuer

(964 posts)
10. Why did a large international corporation...
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:42 AM
Jan 2019

... hire a dishonorably discharged person to a high-level “security” position?

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
13. I said it from day one...
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:07 AM
Jan 2019

that this guy was a sacrifice for Butina. It's all a game. Our State department is silent. Why do they want Butina? They didn't even know who she was, remember? I don't really see anything wrong in what Butina did anyway. To me the criminals are the NRA and tRump. They are the ones that knowingly allowed a foreign nation to buy our election. They are the ones that would sell our country to the highest bidder.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
14. Lazy 0range45 will move at the speed of sound to get Butina
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 10:26 AM
Jan 2019

traded and on a plane to Russia before she can testify in court.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
15. How will she be treated in Russia if this exchange happens?
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:11 AM
Jan 2019

Will she be a hero or suffer a fate worse than polonium poisoning?

-90% Jimmy

PS - it's my personal HUNCH that the Trump family has been turning in the identities of spys or people of interest that countries like SA and Turkey and Russia want "eliminated". If anybody would perform such treasonous treachery for money, it would be this bunch of sociopaths!

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
17. That little problem was worked out before she ever departed for USA. She placed
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:43 AM
Jan 2019

Putin's bombs, set the fuses, got caught, told the FBI some truths and some lies, and now it time to go home to Mother Russia -- as a hero.

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
16. Well, now he has asked for assistance
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 11:33 AM
Jan 2019

from the Irish consolate and the other countries from which he holds passports. So, not sure how this reflects upon the claims in this article now.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
18. It was a bad conduct discharge not a DD
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 02:53 PM
Jan 2019

He was sentenced to 60 days restriction, reduction to pay grade
E-4, and, a bad-conduct discharge. The convening authority
approved the sentence as adjudged.

No brig time either which is kind of weird.

By military standards for what he was found guilty of, it's a light sentence:

attempted
larceny, three specifications of dereliction of duty, making a
false official statement, wrongfully using another’s social
security number,1 and ten specifications of making and uttering
checks without having sufficient funds in his account


No brig time? Only busted two grades?
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