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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,010 posts) Fri Jan 20, 2023, 03:10 PM Jan 2023

No tanks for Ukraine at the Ramstein meeting

Despite the intense pressure being brought on Berlin to allow Europe’s Nato members to send their advanced Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, a summit at the Nato Ramstein airbase failed to approve the measure.

Germany denied Kyiv's request for tanks at the Ramstein conference, but the new German Defence Minister Boris Pistorious said that a final decision has yet to be made. In the meantime, he has instructed the German Armed Forces to assess how many and which Leopards it could send when the decision comes through.

He said: “We all cannot say today when a decision [on potentially sending Leopard tanks] will come and what it will look like,” as cited by Reuters.

A few hours before Pistorious’ announcement, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy repeated his urgent calls for the heavy main battle tanks, considered to be amongst the most advanced in the world. 'I can thank you hundreds of times – but hundreds of 'thank you' are not hundreds of tanks,' he wrote on Twitter.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-tanks-for-ukraine-at-the-ramstein-meeting/ar-AA16yUaa

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No tanks for Ukraine at the Ramstein meeting (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2023 OP

So, for now, it's thanks, but no tanks. Mister Ed Jan 2023 #1

I thought I read somewhere we were going to start replacing our M1A1/A2's with Abrams X's TheRealNorth Jan 2023 #2

Leopard tanks make much better sense for Ukraine Vogon_Glory Jan 2023 #3

Mister Ed

(5,937 posts)

1. So, for now, it's thanks, but no tanks.

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 20, 2023, 03:27 PM

Jan 2023

I wish the Ukrainians would get every tool they need, and quickly. They're fighting for us all.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)

2. I thought I read somewhere we were going to start replacing our M1A1/A2's with Abrams X's

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 20, 2023, 03:34 PM

Jan 2023

I am sure there some spare M1A1's we could send until the new tanks start rolling off the assembly line.

I mean, if we give them to f'n Saudi Arabia/ MBS, can't see why Ukraine can't have some. Unless the military planners think Ukraine doesn't have the fuel supplies to feed them.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)

3. Leopard tanks make much better sense for Ukraine

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Jan 20, 2023, 03:50 PM

Jan 2023

Leopard tanks make much better sense for Ukraine. I’ve been following this argument on other boards. Not only is Germany.much closer than the USA, a lot of Ukraine’s western neighbors already use Leopards, and there’s much more commonality of parts and ammunition with what their neighbors use and what they’ve already got..

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