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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,035 posts)
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 03:33 PM Jun 2023

Russia may be devoured by its neighbours

Ukraine’s resistance to Putin’s invasion has demolished the idea of Russian invincibility. Everyone knows Russia is not the unbeatable empire Moscow was at pains to portray itself as both outwardly and inwardly. And just as Russia is trying to claim Ukraine as its own, other countries are eyeing chunks of Russian land, spotting an opportunity as the war shows just how weak the Russian army is. Nations within Russia are waiting for the right time to oust the bully. The Kremlin should be wary of promoting a world where it is acceptable to seize territories through force; it only invites others to join in and claim parts of Russia for themselves.

Japan was the first country to break its silence after the full-scale invasion of Ukraine last year. Tokyo said of the Kuril Islands that it was “completely unacceptable that the Northern Territories have yet to be returned since the Soviet Union’s illegal occupation of them 77 years ago”. That annexation saw the expulsion of Japanese people from the southern islands, and since then, the countries have failed to reach a compromise. Talks broke down when Putin showed he was not willing to share lands but only to gain new ones.

Then China started drawing maps marking part of Siberia and the Russian Far East region as originally Chinese. Great areas of Chinese land were annexed by Russia in the 19th century. Unable to claim this territory back in a peaceful way, Beijing has pursued economic expansion around Baikal and has been actively purchasing and leasing lands near the border.

In Poland, there are narratives suggesting that Russia occupied the Kaliningrad region in 1945, and that Warsaw has the right to claim it. Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and even Ukraine could also stake interests in vying for Russian lands. Russian fighters infiltrating the Belgorod region under the Ukrainian flag served as a reminder to Putin that others could also reclaim their “primordial territories”. Kyiv aims to restore its 1991 borders and end the war. Yet the prospect of exiled Russians on tanks turning Russian border regions into “national republics” is seen as a welcomed payback for Moscow’s deeds in the Donbas.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-be-devoured-by-its-neighbours/ar-AA1bVQcE

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Russia may be devoured by its neighbours (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2023 OP
Risk players go for Kamchatka Tetrachloride Jun 2023 #1
That and the Ural region! 2naSalit Jun 2023 #4
Nom. MutantAndProud Jun 2023 #2
That was one serious can of worms Putin opened with his little temporary military operation... marble falls Jun 2023 #3
Must be... 2naSalit Jun 2023 #5
Just like TFG, he became a victim of his own magical thinking: I'm in charge, I can make it so." marble falls Jun 2023 #6
Yup. 2naSalit Jun 2023 #8
Lots of corruption, accepted as normal by everyone... Shipwack Jun 2023 #12
I like the sounds of St. Petersburg, Finland. Chainfire Jun 2023 #7
+1 2naSalit Jun 2023 #9
Blowback. oooops. niyad Jun 2023 #10
Bon Apetit, Nom Nom IronLionZion Jun 2023 #11
Its not a bordering neighbour but Moldova also. LiberalLovinLug Jun 2023 #13
Iron(Man)ically, Ivan Vanko said it best Grokenstein Jun 2023 #14
I would think it would be possible. LiberalFighter Jun 2023 #15
How to ensure global safety in the wake of the disintegration of a nuclear superpower? slumcamper Jun 2023 #16
Risk has always had Ukraine as part of Europe samsingh Jun 2023 #17
Good job, Putin. Looks like you might just Disappear your country. Joinfortmill Jun 2023 #18
It's also likely to go back to separate countries Warpy Jun 2023 #19
A game of Risk. WitchyRapture Sep 2023 #20

marble falls

(57,106 posts)
3. That was one serious can of worms Putin opened with his little temporary military operation...
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 03:45 PM
Jun 2023

... how in the hell did he allow himself to be so mislead about the quality of his military.

I read somewhere the Ukraine has more Russian built tanks now than they had at the beginning of the war and Putin is scrounging dumps and public parks to dig up more.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
5. Must be...
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 03:53 PM
Jun 2023

A natural conclusion to what happens when a narcissist gains power and holds it for a long time.

Shipwack

(2,164 posts)
12. Lots of corruption, accepted as normal by everyone...
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 05:56 PM
Jun 2023

... up to the very top.

Plus, no one wanted to be the bearer of bad news.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
9. +1
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 05:16 PM
Jun 2023

I have a percentage of Finnish ancestry, I have been wondering if it might be a place to go eventually. Maybe after the war there would be more of the country to enjoy!

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
11. Bon Apetit, Nom Nom
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 05:51 PM
Jun 2023

Poland or Lithuania should take Kaliningrad for NATO. Deny Russia an ice free port in Europe. Maybe this is Chechnya and Dagestan's chance to break away too.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
13. Its not a bordering neighbour but Moldova also.
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:03 PM
Jun 2023

They will kick out all of the Russian army that has stationed themselves there.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
15. I would think it would be possible.
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:11 PM
Jun 2023

Population density for Russia is 8.45 people per square kilometer.

While it is 36 per square kilometer in the USA.

Which to me suggests there are areas that are very barren and would be easy to take.

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
16. How to ensure global safety in the wake of the disintegration of a nuclear superpower?
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:15 PM
Jun 2023

What institution, or who, would oversee such an effort? Can a political vacuum be filled rapidly before chaos overtakes order? How would the failed state be administered? What would happen to Russia's place and influence in the UN?

So many BIG issues and questions.

Warpy

(111,276 posts)
19. It's also likely to go back to separate countries
Thu Jun 1, 2023, 06:31 PM
Jun 2023

because a lot of those people have been ill served by the old czars, the Soviets (who built a lot of things for them using slave labor, but they were things suited to the European part of Russia, not their regions) and now whatever Putin has turned into.

At the very least, they'll become fully autonomous regions in a loose federation. Throw a bunch of private armies raised by rich and ambitious men into the mix plus ethnic minorities who want to run their own lives for a change, and all the elements are there.

Putin will most likely be remembered in history books as the last Czar, squandering the empire he had in favor of one he thought he was owed, wrecking everything and setting up conditions for a civil war. I doubt they'll be kind to him.

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