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http://www.spiegel.de/international/documents-show-nsa-and-gchq-spied-on-partner-turkey-a-989011.htmlDocuments from the archive of whistleblower Edward Snowden reveal wide-scale spying against Turkey by America's NSA and Britain's GCHQ. They also show the US worked closely with Ankara to battle Kurdish separatists.
A Two-Faced Friendship: Turkey Is 'Partner and Target' for the NSA
By Laura Poitras, Marcel Rosenbach, Michael Sontheimer and Holger Stark
August 31, 2014 12:00 PM
On a December night in 2011, a terrible thing happened on Mount Cudi, near the Turkish-Iraqi border. One side described it as a massacre; the other called it an accident.
Several Turkish F-16 fighter jets bombed a caravan of villagers that night, apparently under the belief that they were guerilla fighters with the separatist Kurdistan Worker's Party (PKK). The group was returning from northern Iraq and their mules were loaded down with fuel canisters and other cargo. They turned out to be smugglers, not PKK fighters. Some 34 people died in the attack.
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The reconnaissance flight -- which was first reported by the Wall Street Journal in 2012 -- and its tragic consequences provided an important insight into the very tight working relationship between American and Turkish intelligence services in the fight against Kurdish separatists. Although the PKK is still considered a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union, its image has been improved radically by its recent success in fighting the Islamic State (IS) in northern Iraq and Syria. PKK fighters, backed by US airstrikes, are on the front lines against the jihadist movement there, and some in the West are now advocating arming the group and lifting its terrorist label.
Documents from the archive of US whistleblower Edward Snowden that SPIEGEL and The Intercept have seen show just how deeply involved America has become in Turkey's fight against the Kurds. For a time, the NSA even delivered its Turkish partners with the mobile phone location data of PKK leaders on an hourly basis. The US government also provided the Turks with information about PKK money flows and the whereabouts of some of its leaders living in exile abroad.
merrily
(45,251 posts)when it suits their respective purposes and an alliance may not be an alliance for all purposes.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)it's been spying in Germany and other allies.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Since the U.S. is about to ask for Turkey's help against ISIS...(but that's one of the many things i'm not allowed to point out anymore)
I can't imagine much outrage over this, since DUers largely ignored the "Germany spying on Turkey" stories a couple weeks back...
Pholus
(4,062 posts)I hear that tinfoil hats can help sometimes....
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Feel free to disprove me if you care...
Pholus
(4,062 posts)Back during the NSA disclosures, I believe "prove it" was the standard dismissive line from the apologists. Even the government itself loved using it!
http://theweek.com/article/index/246897/can-americans-sue-over-nsa-surveillance
Course, the proof just came dripping out so "prove it" shifted on a week-by-week basis, which is fun to see after a year of it.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/06/65-65-things-we-know-about-nsa-surveillance-we-didnt-know-year-ago
So let's see those numerous examples. Or admit a tinfoil hat is required apparel when reading it...
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)The Dilma phone eavesdropping story came out the WEEK Obama was scheduled for a meeting
The Chinese hacking story (Huawei) came out right when Obama was going over there
Stories printed the week of the G8 summit
So where's you're response, fuckin' tough guy?
Pholus
(4,062 posts)What a revelation! What a conspiracy! I am so in awe of your powers of observation.
Not.
Sounds like the organization of a journalist. In a week where Turkey and ISIS are relevant, journalists write stories about them. Stories with angles -- this one being on our out of control surveillance state.
As far as being a "fuckin' tough guy?" Look, I'm hardly impressed by the howls of rage from someone who just got spanked hard and knows it.