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unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 07:12 AM Oct 2014

My Lai Was Not An 'Incident': Seeking Full Disclosure on Vietnam

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2014/10/17/my-lai-was-not-incident-seeking-full-disclosure-vietnam



My Lai Was Not An 'Incident': Seeking Full Disclosure on Vietnam
Abby Zimet, staff writer
Friday, October 17, 2014

Language is telling; so are facts. With the approach of the "full panoply of Orwellian forgetfulness" that is a 13-year, $65 million commemoration of the Vietnam War by the same people who started it, it's nigh on impossible to reconcile Obama's "valor of a generation that served with honor fighting heroically to protect the ideals we hold dear as Americans" with the savage years many "remember, with painful acuity, as other than glorious" - years of lies, loss, rage, trauma, protests and the deaths of millions of innocents. Seeking to "speak truth to power," Veterans For Peace are rejecting an official narrative they say sanitizes and mythologizes an unconscionable war - and likely helps legitimize further such wars - by organizing their own Peace and Justice Commemoration as part of a larger Full Disclosure Campaign. Its goal is to "truly examine what happened during those tragic and tumultuous years," and use those lessons to prevent them from happening again.

From the start, many have questioned what longtime activist Tom Hayden calls the "staggering" idea of a commemoration orchestrated by the Department of Defense. Citing the Pentagon's questionable "version of the truth" that for so long sustained an immoral war, he convincingly argues that, "If you conduct a war, you shouldn’t be in charge of narrating it." Almost everything about the project, from its website full of glossy pictures of smiling veterans to its very language - its mission to "assist a grateful nation" in thanking veterans, Obama's thinking "with solemn reverence upon the valor of a generation," its initial labelling of the massacre of 500 women, children and older men at My Lai an "incident" - bears out the notion that the project's goal is largely "an ex post facto justification of the war," or to rewrite history in order to repeat it with as little opposition as possible.

In a petition for revisions that sparked their decision to hold their own commemoration, over 500 veterans and activists argued for "an honest remembrance of what actually went on in Viet Nam." They seek recognition for the "many thousands of veterans" who opposed or came to oppose the war, who refused the draft, went to jail, left the country, marched in protests; for the millions who marched, prayed, organized; for the military establishment that for years lied, propagandized, made deadly mistakes, and lied again; for the thousands of hapless soldiers thrown into a war of choice who suffered, died, anguished and then came home broken, traumatized and often abandoned - startlingly, more Vietnam veterans subsequently died by suicide than in battle; for the millions of Vietnamese civilians killed, maimed, poisoned, traumatized, driven from their homes, crippled by land mines, their children later disfigured by Agent Orange; for the rage and regret felt by so many Americans towards the war's lies and losses that a new term was created to express their weariness - the Vietnam Syndrome.

To right those wrongs and expose those truths, Veterans For Peace are now looking for stories, ideas, articles and photos for their own commemoration. "It is incumbent on us not to cede the war’s memory to those who have little interest in an honest accounting, and who want to justify further acts of military adventurism," they argue. The war, they insist, is a cautionary tale: "What are the consequences of trying to control the fate of a people from afar with little understanding or interest in their history and culture...or their human desires? What are the consequences of dehumanized ideologies used to justify wars of aggression? To honor the Viet Nam generation and to inform current and future generations, we should make every effort to pass on a critical and honest history of the war."










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I was in country AND was in the Americal Division (198th Light Infantry Brigade) when this story broke.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_lai

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dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
2. Thankfully we have the stories and the books and the videos
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:08 AM
Oct 2014

over the last 30 years.
Sitting next to me is the Pulitzer Book A Bright Shining Lie, by Neil Sheehan.
It a thick paperback, worth every page of tiny print.

Gave a copy to both my kids, plus the poor dears had to grow up listening to me rant about the war for many years.
they won't buy this latest round of BS.

And I think the folks who do buy it are gonna run into the people who know why it is a lie.
After my generation, the anti-war generation, is gone, I have faith those who follow will find the truth.

Meanwhile, we do have the ear of the grandkids.......



 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
9. Holy friggin' Jesus. I have no such faith. Look at this:
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:37 AM
Oct 2014

>>>>it's nigh on impossible to reconcile Obama's "valor of a generation that served with honor fighting heroically to protect the ideals we hold dear as Americans" >>>>>>

Maybe that's the kind of tripe they served up 10 years after the fact in the president's fancy private prep school...where , presumably his world view was shaped ( which in itself explains a lot about what's been going on for the last 6 years)..... but it don't change what "is" from what "aint".

llmart

(15,540 posts)
3. We love revisionist history in this country....
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:19 AM
Oct 2014

We like to wrap things up in the flag and tie them up with a pretty bow so we don't have to face the facts. Then we throw around the word "hero" (are you reading this Colin Powell?) until the word itself is cheapened.

Those of us who came of age during this disgusting example of might doesn't make right will never forget.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
4. History is written by the winners and the wealthy. It will continue to become easier to change
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:20 AM
Oct 2014

"written" history. I've seen it happen on Wikipedia. Not long ago there was a story where the CEO of an insurance company harassed his neighbors (a home for abused women) "legally" until they couldn't fight back because of money. The day after the announcement the true story was added to the CEO's Wikipedia page. The following day it was rewritten to show the CEO in a positive light. There are jobs today for people (lower class of course) to use social media and sites like Wikipedia to make the wealthy look good.
Orwell warned us.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. It's a tragedy
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:28 AM
Oct 2014

Spin doesn't begin to cover what those people do.

I actually had a twitter conversation with a 19 year old kid last night about our history. He was brought up in a very religious family and town. He wasn't ever even taught about slavery. The things he told us he was taught to believe seemed to be right out of the dark ages.

Have to give the kid credit as he is trying to learn the truth. But, with the sanitization of the easily found online accounts, like wiki, what he may find will not be close to the truth.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
5. One of the more horrific things in our history
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:21 AM
Oct 2014

I am appalled at our government for trying to sanitize our history. Not just with the Vietnam War, but in so many areas. Not unlike the Germans that tried to erase the Holocaust from their history.

The My Lai "incident" and the horrific scandal surrounding it should be the highlight of what is taught about our involvement, along with the Gulf of Tonkin.

The documentary, Dear America: Letters Home From Viet Nam, does a good job of allowing us to see what our brave men and women went through while in country.

Along those same lines, the murder and maiming of the students at Kent State, some of whom were only observing while on their way to class, is another sanitized part of history. In 2007, Alan Canfora, one of the students shot, found a part of a tape made that day that proves the order to fire. It has been verified as authentic by multiple independent sources. Yet both the FBI and the DOJ refused to reopen the case stating that the words are inaudible. If you heard it you would know, that's yet another outright lie.

The May 4 center, run by the 7 remaining victims of that horrific day, are still pursuing prosecution. 4 dead, 9 wounded and not one conviction in a case where our government opened fire on our own students.

What have we become?

Mr. Unhappycamper, my heart goes out to you. Thank you for your service and for your fight for justice.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
6. Like Afghanistan and Iraq, the Vietnam War accomplished NOTHING of value.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:25 AM
Oct 2014

Even if the United States had WON, nothing of value would have been gained.

All that suffering and death only served to enrich a few already too wealthy men.

Eisenhower didn't go out of his way to warn us of the military industrial complex for no reason. Eisenhower's warning is unprecedented in all of American history.

Isn't it about time we waked the fuck up?

Now watch some paid sockpuppet pop up to tell us that indeed great things were achieved in Afghanistan.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
10. You are judging the outcome of the war from your "value" perspective.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:53 AM
Oct 2014

With regard to our Oligarch leader's values, the war was a huge success, it was very "valuable". I am making the distinction because, as long as there is value in war to the Oligarch leaders, the so-called wars will continue.

The value of the Viet Nam War.

The MIC corporate owners got much wealthier along with their lapdog politicians.

The war started the desensitizing of the American public to the horrors of war.

Taxpayer dollars were used to perfect the war machine of the Oligarchs.

The war makers learned that using the draft was not the way. Keep the lower classes in poverty and offer them food and shelter for their families for fighting in wars.

As long as war is profitable to the American Aristocracy, we will have wars.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
8. K an R. Read it and *puke*.
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 09:29 AM
Oct 2014

Do they really think we're all dead already? Some of us are dead.... but a lot of us are still around! HELLO! We *remember* Viet Nam.

We *lived* thru it. Either the war there or the "war at home".

We KNOW what happened. If you're gonna start a not-so-mini Holocaust Denial industry, at least wait til we're fucking *dead*.

Sheeeeezzzz.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025646854

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
11. Recommend! It's the Mind Manipulation...
Sat Oct 18, 2014, 11:53 AM
Oct 2014

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I was sickened when I watched Obama say that. The hypocrisy was so evident I couldn't understand how he could get the words out of his mouth and that there wasn't huge backlash. But then when "War is Good" for the Republicans and now Democrats the MSM is only too happy to not invite those who disagree to appear in any discussion of what was wrong with that speech and to give an opposing view. The push back came from the few Progressive sites that still can find donations to operate and even here on DU there was little outrage because we are seemingly always in "election season" when it comes to criticism. So war is good so that we can make sure none of our Dem Candidates ever speak out about it. We are just supposed to "vote and hope..."

Older Boomers haven't forgotten Vietnam and don't believe that "Endless War" is an acceptable option.



eridani

(51,907 posts)
13. A friend of mine worked near My Lai with the American Friends Service Committee
Sun Oct 19, 2014, 01:38 AM
Oct 2014

He wrote to his friends still in school that they were aware of what went down there, but didn't report it because the death toll from the constant bombing was far higher.

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