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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:21 PM Apr 2015

Deconstructing Obama’s Yemeni intervention

The U.S. government-funded Voice of America has sent up a trial balloon filled with hot air prognosticating that the tensions building up over the Yemen conflict “appear to be pitting the United States against Iran in a sensitive showdown in the Gulf of Aden.”

The context is the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and the guided missile cruiser USS Normandy joining seven other U.S. battleships in the area, including the Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group, which includes a complement of more than 2000 U.S. Marines.

This is an outlandish way of peeping into the looking glass. Alice would be giggling. The U.S. is not about to have a military clash with Iran. The two navies have a long history of jostling against each other and indulging in cat-and-mouse games in the Persian Gulf waters without getting into a scrape. This is one thing.

Second, in this particular case, Iran simply does not intend to get involved militarily in Yemen. Iran is doing splendidly well by instead robustly projecting a 4-point peace plan on Yemen, which Russia has already welcomed and which is bound to gain traction, because Tehran rightly anticipates that there is no option ultimately but to open the diplomatic and political track. You don’t look for victory in a fratricidal war, do you? You win it in bits and pieces and the secret lies in patience and power of attrition.

http://atimes.com/2015/04/deconstructing-obamas-yemeni-intervention/

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Deconstructing Obama’s Yemeni intervention (Original Post) bemildred Apr 2015 OP
Important topic. Great read. Thank you for posting /nt think Apr 2015 #1
+1. nt bemildred Apr 2015 #4
We still have to justify the Navy's budget by showing there are evil forces preying libdem4life Apr 2015 #2
It is impossible to justify the Navy's budget. unhappycamper Apr 2015 #7
Well, playing fear policies and letting the public see them in all their glory in the Gulf of Aden libdem4life Apr 2015 #8
Our policy in the region has one major rule. Warren Stupidity Apr 2015 #3
An interesting bit: KoKo Apr 2015 #5
Yep. bemildred Apr 2015 #6
Yemen talks a defining moment for U.S.-Iran ties bemildred Apr 2015 #9
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
2. We still have to justify the Navy's budget by showing there are evil forces preying
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:40 PM
Apr 2015

on the downtrodden that only the Global Empire can protect. You'd think no one told the President about the above. Rachel Maddow said there are 10,000 American troops on those 9 ships. Talk about provocative.

unhappycamper

(60,364 posts)
7. It is impossible to justify the Navy's budget.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:35 AM
Apr 2015

$13 billion dollars for the 80% finished USS Gerald R Ford. Yup, UNFINISHED.

$6 billion dollars for a fucking destroyer (USS Zumwalt)? (Psst - that's what Nimitz-class aircraft carriers usta cost.)

All those Littoral Combat Ships have gas turbine power plants and they are gas hogs - to the tune of around $71 million dollars of annual fuel usage. Each.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
8. Well, playing fear policies and letting the public see them in all their glory in the Gulf of Aden
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:56 AM
Apr 2015

goes a long way. I'm with you. There was some tongue in cheek in my post.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. Our policy in the region has one major rule.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:49 PM
Apr 2015

Oppose Shiite factions and governments, aid and abet their overthrow and defeat.

That policy is followed even when the consequence is to promote the ambitions of radical Sunni jihadists.

That policy is pursued even while fighting the very same Sunni jihadists we created.

It is an amazingly fucked rule.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. An interesting bit:
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 12:59 PM
Apr 2015

After all, the U.S. government has not cared to evacuate its citizens in distress – unlike what almost all countries have done weeks ago – and American judges may have no option if these Arab-American Muslims invoke their constitutional rights as U.S. citizens.

Besides, the folklore being what it claims, namely, that the U.S. has no control over the Saudi war crimes in Yemen, all this could become a poor reflection onObama’s Middle East policies and his stature as a world leader.

Thus, Washington could well be planning an evacuation of its stranded Arab-American citizens from Yemen, finally. Indeed, 5000 Marines can handle the job – provided, of course, the Houthis cooperate. Will they cooperate?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. Yep.
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 01:05 PM
Apr 2015

He does ramble around in interesting ways, I'm beginning to like him.

I thought he might be a little too optimistic in this piece, but there isn't much point in being gloomy either.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. Yemen talks a defining moment for U.S.-Iran ties
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:37 PM
Apr 2015

The first disclosure regarding Saudi Arabia’s impending announcement on the termination of its air strikes on Yemen didn’t come from Riyadh. It came from Tehran. The Saudi Ministry of Defence formally made its statement a few hours later. (FARS news agency). Clearly, intense consultations preceded the announcement and Iran was not only in the loop but had positioned itself in a key role.

No doubt, consultations involving the United States and Iran preceded the Saudi decision. President Barack Obama has acknowledged that the U.S. was in touch with Iran, sending “very direct messages” to Tehran not to do anything that might threaten shipping traffic in the region. Obviously, the consultations couldn’t have been restricted to freedom of shipping in the Gulf of Aden.

Again, the call by the United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon in the weekend for an immediate ceasefire certainly played its part, and it could, perhaps, be understood as a parallel effort in coordination with the US-Iranian consultations. Curiously, the GCC ambassadors in New York didn’t even realize how rapidly the ground was shifting when just a day back they had “rejected” Ban’s call. Which means the Iranians operated at a high political level.

It will be recalled that President Barack Obama Obama spoke with King Salman bin Abdulaziz al-Saud and with the Crown Prince of the UAE over the weekend. The Saudis ultimately sensed that the law of diminishing returns would be at work if the operations had continued.

http://atimes.com/2015/04/yemen-talks-a-defining-moment-for-us-iran-ties/

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