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Brendan ONeill, in the UKs Jewish News Online, asks, Where is the Twitter outrage? The talk of holding public protests? The angry articles by Palestinian solidarity activists? The discussions about sending aid to Yarmouk, as those preening politicians, authors and others did in relation to Gaza in 2010? All these things are conspicuous by their absence. The deprivations of the Yarmouk Palestinians dont seem to have pricked Western radicals conscience, certainly not in the way the Gaza war did last year.
While the Israeli Defense Force were storming into Gaza the streets of Europe were overrun with demonstrators, writes Marc Goldberg at the Times of Israel. "This time there arent tens of thousands demonstrating on the streets. There are no demonstrations at all. There are no rallies. There are no screams of massacre. There are no demands on governments to take action. There is simply a sad, deafening silence.
If my Facebook feed is any indication, this sentiment resonates deeply with Israels supporters in the U.S. and abroad. The feeling that the world pays too much attention to Israel relative to its crimes is strong with many, and ISISs offensive in Yarmouk sparked deep-seated feelings of unfairness. Many took it one step further, seeing in the deafening silence surrounding Yarmouk further evidence that all anti-Israel sentiment is anti-Semitic.
And yet, one cant help but feel that using ISISs invasion of Yarmouk might have been a bit hasty. First of all, the claim that there is no public outcry is untrue. The hashtag #SaveYarmouk is alive and well on Twitter, and the events have been covered by many organizations.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121513/isis-attack-palestinians-doesnt-expose-double-standard-
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The events have garnered news coverage, and yet, some feel that ISISs capture of Yarmouk hasnt gotten the coverage it deserves. But left-wing activists aren't the ones complaining most vociferously about the lack of media attention; it's staunch supporters of Israel.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121513/isis-attack-palestinians-doesnt-expose-double-standard-israel
and there a number of examples of this phenomenon for plain viewing here on this forum
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Palestinians isn't that bad..isn't what really disgusts people,..world wide.
Must be something else that influences them, it could not be the decades of
occupation would be behind it...nah. Do I have to name the assaults, OCL,
and the others..how far back should I go? The ME is a disaster area, so
what is happening to far too many people is a disgrace, period and there is
little relief coming any time soon to the people that deserve it.
Occupying Palestine will continue, nonetheless...looking over there won't change that
even though it is fixable were it not for the political/military power that Israel's
leaders cling to.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)which group should take over, which of the sides? The world so to speak is simply gobsmacked and at the moment there seems no solution, with regard to Yarmouk even UNRWA doesn't have any answers or means by which to deal with the situation
Whereas the situation between Israel and Palestine is more clear cut, with obvious solutions readily availible
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)he is a murderer but with his downfall, ISIS fills in and we don't want that.
I/P has a solution, yes...been there a long time.
snip*two states on the pre-1967 borders; a full Israeli withdrawal from the territories it occupied in the 1967 war, including the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem; and whats called a just resolution of the refugee question, based on the right of return and compensation. If you look at the voting record for around the past 15 years, every year its the same. It is the whole world on one side 165 countries and, on the other, its always the same six countries: the United States, Israel, the Federated States of Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Palau and either Australia or Canada. Depending on the year, Australia or Canada will either vote no or abstain.
The obstacle, as you can tell, is not Palau, Micronesia or the Marshall Islands. By the process of elimination, the obstacle is Israel, which is backed by the US. I should point out that in the absence of the US, Israel would have as much political clout in the world as Palau or Micronesia. It is the US that blocks any settlement. Washington acts at Israels behest. If the US was on its own, there is no reason to doubt it would support the terms of the international consensus. But it doesnt because of the powerful lobby in the US.
http://www.fairobserver.com/region/middle_east_north_africa/norman-finkelstein-israel-settlements-and-the-icc-02734/
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and right now it seems that the one who stands the best chance of restoring some semblance of order is Assad , however it almost seems as if it suits some political end of the 'West' to keep things in disarray or the 'West' is just that clueless
Now for Israel speaking for myself I fear it's reached the tipping point-the rightists have succeeded in their goal of making a Palestinian state impossible, there are too many settlers to be resettled back in Israel and commonly Israeli's don't really want them back either, so where does that leave us?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Comment is free
The Palestinians of Yarmouk and the shameful silence when Israel is not to blame
Mehdi Hasan
When Israel wages war on Palestinians, we speak out. But they are dying, right now, at the hands of an Arab regime
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/12/refugees-yarmouk-israel-palestinians-arab-isis
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113499900
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Both articles make the same points.
Those who try to use the tragedy of Yarmouk to excuse or downplay Israels 48-year occupation of Palestine should be ashamed of themselves.
Many of us who have raised our voices in support of the Palestinian cause have inexcusably turned a blind eye to the fact that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed by fellow Arabs in recent decades.
There are very good reasons that Israel attracts such widespread criticism and condemnation in the west. Israel is our ally and claims to be a liberal democracy, unlike both Assad and Isis. Israel is also armed, funded and protected from UN censure by the US government; again, unlike both Assad and Isis.
UNRWA, he tells me, is calling on those who can influence the parties on the ground to make that influence effective, adding: Everyone in the Middle East can be influenced, everyone is sponsored.
As Gunness says, his voice trembling with emotion: We are potentially witnessing a slaughter of the innocents. What is the world going to do?
Those are all points Hasan makes in his piece.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Our selective outrage is morally unsustainable. Many of us who have raised our voices in support of the Palestinian cause have inexcusably turned a blind eye to the fact that tens of thousands of Palestinians have been killed by fellow Arabs in recent decades: by the Jordanian military in the Black September conflicts of the early 1970s; by Lebanese militias in the civil war of the mid-1980s; by Kuwaiti vigilantes after the first Gulf war, in the early 1990s. Egypt, the so-called heart of the Arab world, has colluded with Israel in the latters eight-year blockade of Gaza.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/12/refugees-yarmouk-israel-palestinians-arab-isis
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)But they're not.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)There definitely has been a public outcry with respect to the ISIS attack on Palestinians. That #SaveYarmouk hashtags is a great example.
Let's hope that we can all focus on the Palestinians themselves and doing whatever we can to get the word out about what is going on in Yarmouk and brainstorm/discuss ways to help.
I don't think marches or rallies would do the trick, but greater awareness could help - especially as the UN (and many Palestinians in Israel and around the world) are calling out for the international community to take action.
The pressure should be put not on the terrorists themselves. As the article points out terrorists will be terrorists. We can't expect them to act like a western country such as Israel, who are of course are held to much higher standards of behavior as the article also highlights.
What can we do, though? That is the question that I would like to see more folks addressing here. Is there anything an ordinary person living in the US can do to make sure these grim and dire predictions of further massacre and mass death don't actually come to pass?
Can anything be done to stop them? Can any pressure be put on any rational actors to take some action towards doing so?
Let's get that conversation going.
Mosby
(16,377 posts)What he or she refuses to address, and is ridiculously easy to prove, is that the media, especially in the ME, does not cover crimes against Palestinians when Jews an'y be blamed. same goes for Palestinian "supporters".
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)mess in the ME regarding Palestinians? I read many every day, they have covered Syria, Egypt, Saudis,
Yemen..all of it.