Israel/Palestine
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http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/israeli-center-manhattan*What I would want if such an agreement could be achieved, is maximal territory with minimal Arab citizens of that territory.
There was nervous laughter (I hear, listening to the podcast), and Bronner encourages her view: OK, but I mean, you can get there, there are things you can do to make that happen.
Kahana-Dror then spoke of the Law of Return, which allows Jews from around the world to move to Israel:
Theres no other way to see it [except as] a law that declares Israel unilaterally as a Jewish state. Even the Supreme Court refused to permit reunification of Arab families because the overriding principle is that ultimately Israel is a Jewish state and this gives us a problem in our democracy.
*What a rather KKKlannish thing to say.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)It is a vanity site with an agenda , needs cross reference with a more reliable source.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I find it amazing that you believe that you can tell DUers what to read or believe.
I'll let them make up their own minds about that.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Mine is a warning to those that may not know what an awful , biased , unreliable source Mondoweiss is.
They have such serious writers there as Alex Kane a guy that has not only adopted another people's cause as his own but has made it a primary mission of his in life so much so that he considers himself a leader of another people.
Mondoweiss is an awful source to use.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)wants to stand up for Palestinian human rights?
Why do you keep grabbing at Alex Kane for that?
King_David
(14,851 posts)He "advised" Hamas not to accept a cease fire with Israel that would of saved thousands.
He thinks of himself as a leader of another people.
shira
(30,109 posts)....Hamas accepting ceasefires that would've saved thousands of the Palestinians they claim to care about.
Note the sound of crickets here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113469369
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Israel bears no responsibility for the killing of over 1000 civilians including 500+ children?
shira
(30,109 posts)The fact they never did even once goes to show their concern for every Palestinian life lost in last summer's war is bullshit.
That link showed >70% of Gazans wanting a ceasefire. But the Palestinians' so-called friends from BDS thought they knew better than Gazans. A proud moment for BDS-holes, huh?
Team Palestine knew Hamas wanted as many civilians killed as possible, especially children. After all, these children were used as militants, human shields, and child labor (where 160 died building tunnels). Obviously, the BDS-holes didn't believe enough Palestinian children's lives were lost.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)no real source info unless we're to believe folks from the Washington Center for Near East Policy were tooling about in Gaza in late June of 2014 polling people
also why do avoid my question about Israel's responsibility or lack there of for it's own actions during last summer's action in Gaza?
shira
(30,109 posts)Hamas is 100% responsible for all deaths from the summer 2014 war.
1. They started it by firing a shitload of rockets at Israel
2. They hid behind their civilians
3. They used women and child militants
4. They rejected every ceasefire attempt
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)to institute Operation Brothers Keeper during which anyone living in the West Bank who had any association with Hamas even second or third hand association had their home ransacked, possessions destroyed or confiscated by IDF, this was done under the premise of finding the youths before any harm came to them, it then turned out that Israeli/IDF leadership knew that the youths had been killed within hours of their kidnapping
Moreover Israel rejected a 10 year truce offer in July of 2014 , Hamas rejected the first cease fire because it had not been consulted about it was an Israel/Egypt deal
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)I hope that you have learned your lesson.
shira
(30,109 posts)Israel gave Hamas a 48-72 hour window to stop. Instead, Hamas increased their number of rocket attacks - clearly wanting a war. Israel then started to fight back.
Now you're excusing Hamas for rejecting the 1st ceasefire. They rejected around 10-11 before agreeing to the terms of the 1st ceasefire they could've had 2000 lives earlier. So was it worth it?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)was refused by Hamas by that time Israel had already killed over 200 Gazans most of them civilians. Israel began it's deadly bombing attacks on the people of Gaza July 1 2014
shira
(30,109 posts)To attack Israel's citizens via rockets and tunnels built using child labor (over 160 died in those tunnels), children fighting as militants and employed as human shields....
....all in order for Israel to capitulate to Hamas' demands?
You're defending that?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)civilians being targeted, more over your oft repeated claim of 160+ children dieing building Hamas tunnels is demonstrably false, the actual number is 9 which is bad enough
He died when the tunnel he was working in collapsed.
His colleague Mumen Jaber Abu Mustafa, 18, was injured in the same incident and was admitted to Abu Yousif An-Najjar Hospital where his injury was described as critical.
This raises the death toll to 235.
In addition, 20 Palestinians were killed inside tunnels as a result of two Israeli aerial attacks.
Nine of the 232 killed were children.
Since 2006, 599 persons were injured in separate incidents.
http://www.mezan.org/en/post/16212/Palestinian+Dies+in+Tunnel+Collapse+on+Gaza-Egypt+Border+Raising+Death+Toll+to+235
http://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/response%20to%20netanyahu%20and%20correction%2028%20Aug%2014.pdf
shira
(30,109 posts)....so that they could continue a war in which they wanted as many of their civilians to die as possible (in order to make the International Community stop Israel from defending Israelis & destroying Hamas).
And the 160 kids killed digging tunnels is accurate, as your link states. Did you even read it?
Are you going to continue to defend Hamas' illegal and ghoulish child labor that resulted in 160 deaths?
shira
(30,109 posts)They whitewash Hamas, call them freedom fighters, defend their vile charter calling for the murder of all Jews.
A major funder of Mondoweiss is the rightwing conservative racist, Ron Unz.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113417963
It's all there in that link.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Also, my favorite part of the thread, our discussion where you try to justify mass murder as the "only option" to dealing with an armed terrorist.
Good times, Shira. Good times!
King_David
(14,851 posts)Sounds like you and Shira are having a private conversation here.
PM also available for you 2.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Warning though; there's more text in that thread than in some public libraries, and I know how easy you fall into 'tl;dr" mode.
shira
(30,109 posts)1. That's a lie. I neither said or implied any such thing.
2. If I remember correctly, you had the opportunity to fire at a terrorist who was about to kill many innocents. You punted, allowing for the terrorist to kill as many as he wanted. And you're proud of yourself! Un.Real.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)They both post bigoted crap (with audio/visual) attacking individuals from the ethnic/religious group they hate.
Nothing to be proud of there with MondoLice.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)How revealing!
We're supposed to take your endless rantings as a seal of proof, but you reject anything that doesn't fit into that tiny inflexible space of yours?
Okay!
shira
(30,109 posts)Should I start doing so because it's all true and factual?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Are you fearful that it won't fit with your narrow view of the world?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Exclusively and nothing else. Interesting always when people adopt another people's cause as their own and become more passionate and more involved than any regular Palestinians are.
You sound like you're thinking you're leadership potential for the Pakestinian people in their struggle.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)And you don't have to deflect for shira. She can answer for herself.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Than anyone I have ever seen, with such obvious disdain for the Palestinian's enemies more than any average real Palestinian. And much more emotionally invested than the actual people involved.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)I think you've got a C missing in your article title.
In any case, this is a great window in the fascinating mind of Philip Weiss.
Wherever a Jew or Israeli (or especially an Israeli Jew) says something nasty, Philip Weiss is there to alert the world!
Someone should do that for Muslims or Palestinians - like the folks at CAMERA, maybe?