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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 12:45 PM Apr 2015

Israeli racism takes center stage at Manhattan JC

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/israeli-center-manhattan

Later Bronner pressed Kahana-Dror to describe the Palestinian “state” or “entity” that she wanted to live alongside. “Do you want to hang on to all of Judea and Samaria and the people in it. What is it you want?” She said:
*What I would want if such an agreement could be achieved, is maximal territory with minimal Arab citizens of that territory.


There was nervous laughter (I hear, listening to the podcast), and Bronner encourages her view: “OK, but I mean, you can get there, there are things you can do to make that happen.”

Kahana-Dror then spoke of the Law of Return, which allows Jews from around the world to move to Israel:

There’s no other way to see it [except as] a law that declares Israel unilaterally as a Jewish state. Even the Supreme Court refused to permit reunification of Arab families because the overriding principle is that ultimately Israel is a Jewish state– and this gives us a problem in our democracy.



*What a rather KKKlannish thing to say.
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Israeli racism takes center stage at Manhattan JC (Original Post) R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 OP
Typical mwrguy Apr 2015 #1
Mondoweiss is not an accurate source to be using here on DU King_David Apr 2015 #2
Whatever, dave. And you're a reliable source? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #3
Go ahead King_David Apr 2015 #4
Your example of Mondoweiss being such a bd place is that they have a writer who R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #7
Nothing to do with human rights , Ego King_David Apr 2015 #8
Alex Kane isn't alone. There are some here who were against.... shira Apr 2015 #13
so no cease fire amounts to a carte-blanche for Israel's subsequent actions? azurnoir Apr 2015 #14
Team Palestine should've condemned Hamas for rejecting every ceasefire shira Apr 2015 #15
yes your link did 'show' that however your link and it's PDF poll were questionable to be polite azurnoir Apr 2015 #16
Yawn. More denial, polling is wrong. You do this all the time... shira Apr 2015 #18
Not quite it began on June 14 2014 when Israel used the kidnapping of 3 Jewish youths as an excuse azurnoir Apr 2015 #19
Facts, azurnoir?! How dare you bring facts when fake hasbara outrage will suffice?! R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #20
Hamas fired hundreds of rockets before Israel gave them an ultimatum... shira Apr 2015 #22
Israel refused a 10 year truce offer on July 16 2014 the day after the Egyptian offer azurnoir Apr 2015 #24
That was insane blackmail. So u support Hamas' strategy this summer? shira Apr 2015 #26
again the death toll on the Israeli side 66 soldiers and 6 civilians seems like it wasn't Israeli azurnoir Apr 2015 #29
Again, you supported Hamas' rejections & violations of every ceasefire.... shira Apr 2015 #30
Mondoweiss is fed up with Jews, says all Jews responsible for Palestinian deaths.... shira Apr 2015 #5
Oh yes, a blog that accuses Jews of being "self-hating" for not agreeing with the author Scootaloo Apr 2015 #9
Can you rewrite this post so we can all understand? King_David Apr 2015 #10
You just have to follow Shira's link Scootaloo Apr 2015 #11
All the evidence is there, exposing MondoCrap for being the pro-Hamas Jew haters they are.... shira Apr 2015 #12
Did you listen to the podcast? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #21
I don't care what MondoHate reports, or the JihadWatch bozos... shira Apr 2015 #23
So no, you didn't listen to the podcast. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #25
I don't watch audio/visual from Pam Geller, Stormfront, JewWatch, or JihadWatch either. shira Apr 2015 #27
It's a podcast, my dear. What could be the harm in listening to it? R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #28
Your very passionate about the Palestinian people's cause King_David Apr 2015 #32
Don't quit your day job. You're a horrible reader of people. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #33
Your more involved in this struggle of the Palestinians King_David Apr 2015 #34
Like I just wrote: You're a horrible reader of people. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #35
I like Mondo Weiss, but this article is weak. n/t Little Tich Apr 2015 #6
JCC = Jewish Community Center oberliner Apr 2015 #17
Classic Mondoweiss: Zionist pigs unleashed by settlers on Palestinians shira Apr 2015 #31

King_David

(14,851 posts)
2. Mondoweiss is not an accurate source to be using here on DU
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 02:34 PM
Apr 2015

It is a vanity site with an agenda , needs cross reference with a more reliable source.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
3. Whatever, dave. And you're a reliable source?
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 02:38 PM
Apr 2015


I find it amazing that you believe that you can tell DUers what to read or believe.

I'll let them make up their own minds about that.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
4. Go ahead
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 02:49 PM
Apr 2015

Mine is a warning to those that may not know what an awful , biased , unreliable source Mondoweiss is.

They have such serious writers there as Alex Kane a guy that has not only adopted another people's cause as his own but has made it a primary mission of his in life so much so that he considers himself a leader of another people.

Mondoweiss is an awful source to use.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
7. Your example of Mondoweiss being such a bd place is that they have a writer who
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 04:17 PM
Apr 2015

wants to stand up for Palestinian human rights?



Why do you keep grabbing at Alex Kane for that?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
8. Nothing to do with human rights , Ego
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 04:28 PM
Apr 2015

He "advised" Hamas not to accept a cease fire with Israel that would of saved thousands.

He thinks of himself as a leader of another people.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
13. Alex Kane isn't alone. There are some here who were against....
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:31 PM
Apr 2015

....Hamas accepting ceasefires that would've saved thousands of the Palestinians they claim to care about.

Note the sound of crickets here...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113469369

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. so no cease fire amounts to a carte-blanche for Israel's subsequent actions?
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

Israel bears no responsibility for the killing of over 1000 civilians including 500+ children?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. Team Palestine should've condemned Hamas for rejecting every ceasefire
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:52 PM
Apr 2015

The fact they never did even once goes to show their concern for every Palestinian life lost in last summer's war is bullshit.

That link showed >70% of Gazans wanting a ceasefire. But the Palestinians' so-called friends from BDS thought they knew better than Gazans. A proud moment for BDS-holes, huh?

Team Palestine knew Hamas wanted as many civilians killed as possible, especially children. After all, these children were used as militants, human shields, and child labor (where 160 died building tunnels). Obviously, the BDS-holes didn't believe enough Palestinian children's lives were lost.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. yes your link did 'show' that however your link and it's PDF poll were questionable to be polite
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:01 PM
Apr 2015

no real source info unless we're to believe folks from the Washington Center for Near East Policy were tooling about in Gaza in late June of 2014 polling people

also why do avoid my question about Israel's responsibility or lack there of for it's own actions during last summer's action in Gaza?

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
18. Yawn. More denial, polling is wrong. You do this all the time...
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:46 PM
Apr 2015

Hamas is 100% responsible for all deaths from the summer 2014 war.

1. They started it by firing a shitload of rockets at Israel
2. They hid behind their civilians
3. They used women and child militants
4. They rejected every ceasefire attempt

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. Not quite it began on June 14 2014 when Israel used the kidnapping of 3 Jewish youths as an excuse
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:53 PM
Apr 2015

to institute Operation Brothers Keeper during which anyone living in the West Bank who had any association with Hamas even second or third hand association had their home ransacked, possessions destroyed or confiscated by IDF, this was done under the premise of finding the youths before any harm came to them, it then turned out that Israeli/IDF leadership knew that the youths had been killed within hours of their kidnapping

Moreover Israel rejected a 10 year truce offer in July of 2014 , Hamas rejected the first cease fire because it had not been consulted about it was an Israel/Egypt deal

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
20. Facts, azurnoir?! How dare you bring facts when fake hasbara outrage will suffice?!
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:58 PM
Apr 2015

I hope that you have learned your lesson.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
22. Hamas fired hundreds of rockets before Israel gave them an ultimatum...
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 07:19 PM
Apr 2015

Israel gave Hamas a 48-72 hour window to stop. Instead, Hamas increased their number of rocket attacks - clearly wanting a war. Israel then started to fight back.

Now you're excusing Hamas for rejecting the 1st ceasefire. They rejected around 10-11 before agreeing to the terms of the 1st ceasefire they could've had 2000 lives earlier. So was it worth it?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
24. Israel refused a 10 year truce offer on July 16 2014 the day after the Egyptian offer
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 11:43 PM
Apr 2015

was refused by Hamas by that time Israel had already killed over 200 Gazans most of them civilians. Israel began it's deadly bombing attacks on the people of Gaza July 1 2014

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
26. That was insane blackmail. So u support Hamas' strategy this summer?
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:00 AM
Apr 2015

To attack Israel's citizens via rockets and tunnels built using child labor (over 160 died in those tunnels), children fighting as militants and employed as human shields....

....all in order for Israel to capitulate to Hamas' demands?

You're defending that?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
29. again the death toll on the Israeli side 66 soldiers and 6 civilians seems like it wasn't Israeli
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:01 AM
Apr 2015

civilians being targeted, more over your oft repeated claim of 160+ children dieing building Hamas tunnels is demonstrably false, the actual number is 9 which is bad enough

At approximately 8:00 pm on Sunday 27 January 2013, civil defense teams recovered the body of Riyadh Ahmed Abu Ma’mmar, 34, who had been working in a tunnel on the Gaza-Egypt border near As-Salam neighborhood, south of Rafah.
He died when the tunnel he was working in collapsed.
His colleague Mu’men Jaber Abu Mustafa, 18, was injured in the same incident and was admitted to Abu Yousif An-Najjar Hospital where his injury was described as critical.
This raises the death toll to 235.
In addition, 20 Palestinians were killed inside tunnels as a result of two Israeli aerial attacks.
Nine of the 232 killed were children.
Since 2006, 599 persons were injured in separate incidents.


http://www.mezan.org/en/post/16212/Palestinian+Dies+in+Tunnel+Collapse+on+Gaza-Egypt+Border+Raising+Death+Toll+to+235



The Journal of Palestine Studies must, however, admit to an unfortunate editorial error in the article by Pelham it printed: the figure of 160 children killed in commericial tunnels is inaccurate. In the JPS text, Pelham purportedly says: "At least 160 children have been killed in the tunnels, according to Hamas officials," Rather, the figure 160 reflects the total number of deaths in the tunnels recorded by the Hamas authorities as of 2012. The qualifier "children" was inadvertantly added by JPS at a late stage of editing . In fact, as of January 2013, al-Mezan Center for Human Rights in Gaza put the number of Palestinians killed in the commercial tunnels at 235, only 9 of whom were chilldren. It also noted that by that time another 20 Palestinians had been killed inside tunnels as a result of Israeli air strikes. We accept responsibility for this error and apologize for it.



http://www.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/response%20to%20netanyahu%20and%20correction%2028%20Aug%2014.pdf

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
30. Again, you supported Hamas' rejections & violations of every ceasefire....
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:47 AM
Apr 2015

....so that they could continue a war in which they wanted as many of their civilians to die as possible (in order to make the International Community stop Israel from defending Israelis & destroying Hamas).

And the 160 kids killed digging tunnels is accurate, as your link states. Did you even read it?

Rather, the figure 160 reflects the total number of deaths in the tunnels recorded by the Hamas authorities as of 2012.


Are you going to continue to defend Hamas' illegal and ghoulish child labor that resulted in 160 deaths?
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
5. Mondoweiss is fed up with Jews, says all Jews responsible for Palestinian deaths....
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 03:13 PM
Apr 2015

They whitewash Hamas, call them freedom fighters, defend their vile charter calling for the murder of all Jews.

A major funder of Mondoweiss is the rightwing conservative racist, Ron Unz.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113417963

It's all there in that link.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. Oh yes, a blog that accuses Jews of being "self-hating" for not agreeing with the author
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 04:52 PM
Apr 2015

Also, my favorite part of the thread, our discussion where you try to justify mass murder as the "only option" to dealing with an armed terrorist.

Good times, Shira. Good times!

King_David

(14,851 posts)
10. Can you rewrite this post so we can all understand?
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:12 PM
Apr 2015

Sounds like you and Shira are having a private conversation here.

PM also available for you 2.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
11. You just have to follow Shira's link
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:22 PM
Apr 2015

Warning though; there's more text in that thread than in some public libraries, and I know how easy you fall into 'tl;dr" mode.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
12. All the evidence is there, exposing MondoCrap for being the pro-Hamas Jew haters they are....
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 05:27 PM
Apr 2015
Also, my favorite part of the thread, our discussion where you try to justify mass murder as the "only option" to dealing with an armed terrorist.


1. That's a lie. I neither said or implied any such thing.
2. If I remember correctly, you had the opportunity to fire at a terrorist who was about to kill many innocents. You punted, allowing for the terrorist to kill as many as he wanted. And you're proud of yourself! Un.Real.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
23. I don't care what MondoHate reports, or the JihadWatch bozos...
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 07:56 PM
Apr 2015

They both post bigoted crap (with audio/visual) attacking individuals from the ethnic/religious group they hate.

Nothing to be proud of there with MondoLice.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
25. So no, you didn't listen to the podcast.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:36 AM
Apr 2015

How revealing!

We're supposed to take your endless rantings as a seal of proof, but you reject anything that doesn't fit into that tiny inflexible space of yours?

Okay!

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
27. I don't watch audio/visual from Pam Geller, Stormfront, JewWatch, or JihadWatch either.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:17 AM
Apr 2015

Should I start doing so because it's all true and factual?

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
28. It's a podcast, my dear. What could be the harm in listening to it?
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:02 AM
Apr 2015

Are you fearful that it won't fit with your narrow view of the world?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
32. Your very passionate about the Palestinian people's cause
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 01:54 PM
Apr 2015

Exclusively and nothing else. Interesting always when people adopt another people's cause as their own and become more passionate and more involved than any regular Palestinians are.
You sound like you're thinking you're leadership potential for the Pakestinian people in their struggle.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
33. Don't quit your day job. You're a horrible reader of people.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:21 PM
Apr 2015

And you don't have to deflect for shira. She can answer for herself.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
34. Your more involved in this struggle of the Palestinians
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 02:47 PM
Apr 2015

Than anyone I have ever seen, with such obvious disdain for the Palestinian's enemies more than any average real Palestinian. And much more emotionally invested than the actual people involved.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
17. JCC = Jewish Community Center
Sun Apr 19, 2015, 06:31 PM
Apr 2015

I think you've got a C missing in your article title.

In any case, this is a great window in the fascinating mind of Philip Weiss.

Wherever a Jew or Israeli (or especially an Israeli Jew) says something nasty, Philip Weiss is there to alert the world!

Someone should do that for Muslims or Palestinians - like the folks at CAMERA, maybe?

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