Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forum(US) Congress: There is no legitimate form of Palestinian resistance
The United States Congress is about to pass a law that erases the Green Line and delegitimizes one of the most effective non-violent tools Palestinians have for fighting the 48-year-old Israeli occupation.
The Trade Facilitation and Trade Enforcement Act legally authorizes the White House to negotiate and sign trade deals. An amendment in that bill now defines Washingtons principal objectives in those negotiations to include the discouragement of boycott, divestment and sanctions moves against Israel, including non-tariff barriers on Israeli goods, services or commerce.
The bill defines such boycott, divestment and sanctions actions as any actions that are politically motivated and are intended to penalize or otherwise limit commercial relations specifically with Israel or persons doing business in Israel or in Israeli-controlled territories.
The key term here is, or in Israeli-controlled territories. That term is specifically used in Israel to refer the Israeli presence in the West Bank, including the settlements. To put it simply, Congress is saying that as far as it is concerned, there is no difference between Tel Aviv and the West Bank settlement of Kiryat Arba.
http://972mag.com/congress-there-is-no-legitimate-form-of-palestinian-resistance/105978/
oberliner
(58,724 posts)No, the US Congress did not say "there is no legitimate form of Palestinian resistance". That is just completely made up (like many headlines at 972mag).
The rest of the article is taking a phrase and making it mean something that it obviously doesn't (but that the author wants it to).
This is 972mag in a nutshell.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The US Congress is preparing a counter offensive to the tsunami of boycotts against Israel, with legislators pushing a bill giving Israel a unique economic status and protection from sanctions.
The legislation proposes US examination of companies promoting or abiding by boycotts and orders the president to report to Congress within 180 days of the bill going into effect on BDS actions against Israel.
The president's report, according to the bill, would need to detail the steps the US is taking to encourage foreign countries and international organizations to stop the boycott against Israel and what steps the US is taking to "prevent investigations or prosecutions by governments or international organizations of United States persons on the sole basis of such persons doing business with Israel, with Israeli entities, or in Israeli-controlled territories."
Dr. Adam Reuter, the CEO of Financial Immunities Ltd. which deals with managing financial risks for companies, said Israeli businesses are hardly affected by BDS boycotts, but the proposed American legislation could greatly effect Europe.
"The BDS Movement carries more weight in the academic arena. In Israel, the wave of boycotts is being blown out of proportions as far as its influence is concerned, which is pretty minor. Having said that, the fact the Americans want to help is a good thing for those few cases, and particularly if the issue develops negatively in the future in Europe - then the American threat could be very effective," Dr. Reuter said.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4648715,00.html
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)We already know that the US congress does not feel violence is a legitimate form of resistance (I await the day when a congressman says such on the 4th of July, it'll be a great giggle), and we already know that the US opposes Palestinian resistance efforts in the legal arena, such as membership in the UN and ICC. So this leaves the economic arena... which has just been undermined by this amendment. Not just for Palestinians, but for anyone sympathetic to them - and seeing as many BDS efforts are in fact backed by Palestinian efforts and lobbying, it again comes in to stonewall them.
So yes, congress has worked to delegitimatize any form of Palestinian resistance.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)....yet one more standing ovation for Bibi and all he believes in.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Damn right BDS is illegitimate. It doesn't target Israelis; it targets Jews.
If BDS weren't racist and tried working on 2 states for 2 people rather than 1 state & continuous conflict, only then could it be labeled a legitimate movement.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and once again the goals of BDS which do not include one state as you keep claiming
Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall;
Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and
Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.
The BDS call was endorsed by over 170 Palestinian political parties, organizations, trade unions and movements. The signatories represent the refugees, Palestinians in the OPT, and Palestinian citizens of Israel.
- See more at: http://www.bdsmovement.net/bdsintro#sthash.43NLJYfO.dpuf
King_David
(14,851 posts)I'm not sure myself.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I think my Congress person is safe however
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I think Truman put it pretty plainly, back in the day; "I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents."
That's of course how US politics works. Which is really great when you celebrate the oppressor in a situation
shira
(30,109 posts)Anyone supporting the RoR of millions is for 1-state.
You assume for no reason that their platform is honest.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)all you have done is so and so supports this and so and so is one of th leaders of BDS and so BDS must also support it despite being shown again and again what BDS's real goals are
shira
(30,109 posts)...for BDS support 1-state.
I highly doubt you can find even one popular, significant advocate for BDS who supports 2 states in the form of a Jewish state next to a Palestinian one. And that's really all the proof I need that shows BDS lies about their "real" goals.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)such proof will never be found.
One side here presents a fact, Congressional action specifically designed to protect Israel from any pressure.
Your side questions the motives of the poster, the motives of the reporter, but never attempts to contradict what is said with specifics. Much easier to attack the messenger rather than present your own story, especially when the facts do not support your version of the story. The problem for the Israeli apologist side is that more people are realizing the truth here, and among the informed segment of the American public.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)When there are two sides to any story its best to study both in depth .
You have heard shira's .....now here from Ronnie Barkan :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=140&v=iXOEC9CVEGM
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)I listened to the first excerpt. The problem for many will come very early when Barkan talks about forced removals from the land. It is obvious that there are two history books that are in use here.
Guillaume B
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You're dropping deuces all over the place at the thought of a few hundred Palestinian re-refugees gaining sanctuary in Israel, but you support nearly four hundred thousand Israelis invading and claiming swaths of Palestine.
This makes no sense.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And so long as you support Israel in its efforts to absorb Palestine, that is what you're going to get.
You want two states? well, unless you mean "Israel and Judah" you're going to have to start dialing some shit back. 'Cause right now the place is essentially a single fucked-up state, in great part due to the idea that Israel Does No Wrong. If you're not going to dial it back, if you are going to continue your belief that Israel has an unquestionable right to seize territory, claim authority, and take life as it pleases even well beyond its borders... then we're going to just have to keep talking within theframe of a single fucked-up nation.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Likud and the MIC, IMHO.