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shira

(30,109 posts)
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 03:34 PM Apr 2015

Did Israel just demonstrate it's new Bunker Buster capacities, on the Iranian Missile Base in Yemen?

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/04/26/did-israel-just-use-new-bunker-buster-to-bomb-iranian-missile-base-in-yemen-2/

I believe it's very possible Israel was sending a message. The camera crew knew in advance there would be a show & the show didn't disappoint.

That's a MASSIVE explosion and blast wave. I doubt the Saudi led coalition has such a capability. And if they do, they could easily take out Iran's capabilities with that kind of bunker buster all by themselves, without Israel.

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Did Israel just demonstrate it's new Bunker Buster capacities, on the Iranian Missile Base in Yemen? (Original Post) shira Apr 2015 OP
Well, that could only possibly improve things, I suppose Scootaloo Apr 2015 #1
A demonstration or a threat? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #2
A message. n/t shira Apr 2015 #5
you seem very pleased that maybe you'll get your war after all nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #3
War is coming regardless. The question is whether it happens on Iran's terms.... shira Apr 2015 #4
On behalf of the vast majority of Americans: please leave us out of YOUR war nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #6
Since 1948 no American forces have died fighting for Israel n/t shira Apr 2015 #8
But Israel has killed Americans forces...possible on purpose. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #11
The US has killed a bunch of British and Canadian forces oberliner Apr 2015 #12
Define friendly when some believe it was deliberate. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #16
Some believe 9/11 was an inside job oberliner Apr 2015 #25
Possibly on purpose? Here's evidence it wasn't deliberate... shira Apr 2015 #18
But we've paid a LOT of money to that Israeli socialist country. Rolando Apr 2015 #29
Some just can't wait. They're almost cheerful. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #10
Air strike on missile base in Yemen capital kills 25, wounds hundreds azurnoir Apr 2015 #7
Their fucking nuts...great leadership there. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #13
well in any event IMO this story along with some conclusions about Israel's capabilities are a crock azurnoir Apr 2015 #14
Thanks for that. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #23
There were no secondary explosions due to the hit on an a weapons depot shira Apr 2015 #39
Yes, but was there a guy on the roof? That's the important thing Scootaloo Apr 2015 #27
The US funds Israeli war crimes guillaumeb Apr 2015 #9
I was in Canada for a while , King_David Apr 2015 #15
Is this merely another example of "American exceptionalism"? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #17
Merely astute observations on the human condition King_David Apr 2015 #31
so your observation constitutes a psychological analysis of an entire country? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #32
Did you see the word "some" in my post? King_David Apr 2015 #33
"Some" is merely a cover for rather obvious rationalization/justification for US imperialism. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #40
You're very anti American yourself King_David Apr 2015 #41
a single state solution? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #42
Basically the same culture King_David Apr 2015 #43
Again, you are talking about Israel and Palestine, correct? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #44
Nope USA and Canada King_David Apr 2015 #45
A 1-state solution works better with W.Bank & Jordan.... shira Apr 2015 #47
When you speak of Jordan and Palestine, guillaumeb Apr 2015 #49
Pre-1967 Palestine was occupied by Jordan and Egypt oberliner Apr 2015 #50
The Clinton Parameters or Olmert's offer of 100% pre-'67 land after swaps... shira Apr 2015 #51
So why doesn't the Israel-Sucks brigade do their BDS against America? n/t shira Apr 2015 #19
Not enough leverage. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #20
What does that mean? Israel's a much easier target? n/t shira Apr 2015 #21
a smaller target. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #22
So BDS isn't principled. It goes for the lower hanging fruit. shira Apr 2015 #24
your words alone. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #26
Unlike the S.Africans, Israel has always been open to a Palestinian state.... shira Apr 2015 #28
Is this an admission? guillaumeb Apr 2015 #30
No, that's why I used parentheses.... shira Apr 2015 #37
What a complete wankfest this article is shaayecanaan Apr 2015 #34
yep, well said, and I concur azurnoir Apr 2015 #35
+1. A combination of Israeli supremecist babble and miltary affairs babble. bemildred Apr 2015 #36
Tim has 40 years in the aircraft industry, pretty much making him an expert shira Apr 2015 #38
Tim is still masturbating in his parent's basement shaayecanaan Apr 2015 #48
More IDF capabilities... shira Apr 2015 #46

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. A demonstration or a threat?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 03:50 PM
Apr 2015

Israel DOES have a habit of using violence to settle disputes, much like its protector, the US.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
4. War is coming regardless. The question is whether it happens on Iran's terms....
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 04:29 PM
Apr 2015

....or on Israel/Sunni terms.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
11. But Israel has killed Americans forces...possible on purpose.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 06:18 PM
Apr 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy motor torpedo boats, on 8 June 1967, during the Six-Day War.[3] The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 171 crew members, and severely damaged the ship.[4] At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.[1][5]

Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.[6] Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity,[2] though others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[7]


It's funny how you quantify things, dear.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. The US has killed a bunch of British and Canadian forces
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 07:14 PM
Apr 2015

American forces have killed numerous allied forces in a host of friendly fire incidents over the years.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
16. Define friendly when some believe it was deliberate.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:05 PM
Apr 2015
Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity, though others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
18. Possibly on purpose? Here's evidence it wasn't deliberate...
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:15 PM
Apr 2015
However, Kislev was still disturbed by a lack of return fire, and requested one last attempt to identify the ship. Captain Yossi Zuk, leader of the Mystere formation, made an attempt at identification while strafing the ship. He reported seeing no flag, but saw the ship's GTR-5 marking. Kislev immediately ordered the attack stopped. Kislev guessed that the ship was American.[23]

The fact that the ship had Latin alphabet markings led Chief of Staff Rabin to fear that the ship was Soviet. Though Egyptian warships were known to disguise their identities with Western markings, they usually displayed Arabic letters and numbers only. Rabin ordered the torpedo boats to remain at a safe distance from the ship, and sent in two Hornet (Aérospatiale Super Frelon) helicopters to search for survivors. These radio communications were recorded by Israel. The order also was recorded in the torpedo boat's log, although Commander Oren alleged not to have received it. The order to cease fire was given at 2:20 pm, twenty-four minutes before the torpedo boats arrived at the Liberty's position.[44] At 2:35 pm, Liberty was hit by a torpedo launched from one of the torpedo boats.[45]


Within 48 hours, Israel offered to compensate the victims and their families.[44]


azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. Air strike on missile base in Yemen capital kills 25, wounds hundreds
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:03 PM
Apr 2015

An air strike on a Scud missile base in the Houthi-controlled Yemeni capital Sanaa triggered a big explosion that killed 25 people and wounded almost 400 on Monday, state news agency Saba said.

Saudi Arabia has led an alliance of Sunni Arab countries in air strikes against the Iran-allied Shi'ite Houthi group and army units loyal to ex-president Ali Abdullah Saleh.

"Twenty-five citizens were killed and more than 398 were wounded, mostly women and children, according to a preliminary figure after the Saudi aggression's bombing today," said the agency, which is run by the Houthis.

The number could not be immediately verified, but medical sources told Reuters at least 15 people had been killed and scores wounded.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/20/us-yemen-security-idUSKBN0NB0R820150420

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. well in any event IMO this story along with some conclusions about Israel's capabilities are a crock
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:02 PM
Apr 2015

I'm being polite, if you watch the video the base is on land not imbedded into the side of a mountain like Iranian nuclear facilities, big boom seems the main point but it was weapons depot so of course there was a huge explosion, the rest is conjecture

here's another story on the incident from al Jazeera

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/yemen-sanaa-explosions-150420090515770.html

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
39. There were no secondary explosions due to the hit on an a weapons depot
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:24 PM
Apr 2015

What we see in that video is a primary explosion, not secondary as well.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
9. The US funds Israeli war crimes
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 05:30 PM
Apr 2015

From the Jerusalem Post
Preserving strong ties with the United States is a necessity for Israel's security, former IDF Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi said at the Calcalist conference on Tuesday.

"We must preserve ties with the United States. I believe this is a security necessity," he said.

In the past three years, he noted, US taxpayers have contributed more to the Israeli defense budget than Israeli taxpayers.
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Ashkenazi-Preserving-US-ties-a-security-necessity

Israel provides the killers in the Middle East and the US taxpayers fund them. How much do taxpayers contribute each year to fund these killers? Try 3.15 billion a year! That is a lot of money for mercenaries!

Given that U.S. military aid to Israel was $2.775 billion in 2010, $3 billion in 2011, $3.07 billion in 2012 (and $3.15 billion per year from 2013-2018) while Israel's defense budget is around $15 billion, it made us wonder how much Israeli taxpayers contribute and where the other $12 billion non-U.S. aid comes from.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-america-really-spends-on-israels-defense-2012-9#ixzz3YY0qdwuC



King_David

(14,851 posts)
15. I was in Canada for a while ,
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:04 PM
Apr 2015

On the whole it's a very "provincial " country that has an inferiority complex next to the USA and its main point of patriotism or nationalism or the only glue that keeps it together is their anti-Americanism.

And the most hilarious thing is the indifference of Americans.

I think us Americans just consider Canada to be another one of our states.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
17. Is this merely another example of "American exceptionalism"?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:10 PM
Apr 2015

Or possibly an attempt to deflect from uncomfortable truths that you do not wish to discuss?

Or an attempt at provocation?

Have you ever red "The Ugly American"? It is an interesting book.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
31. Merely astute observations on the human condition
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:52 PM
Apr 2015

One can criticize as much as one wants Americans but I see the psyche of the inferiority complex of some Canadians / collective.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
32. so your observation constitutes a psychological analysis of an entire country?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 09:05 PM
Apr 2015

Meaning that ALL of any grouping behave similarly? Perhaps you should utilize your keen analytical method to document your assertions.

I will await your documentation, oh exemplar of American exceptionalism.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
40. "Some" is merely a cover for rather obvious rationalization/justification for US imperialism.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 05:36 PM
Apr 2015

Your two posts:
On the whole it's a very "provincial " country that has an inferiority complex next to the USA and its main point of patriotism or nationalism or the only glue that keeps it together is their anti-Americanism.

And the most hilarious thing is the indifference of Americans.

I think us Americans just consider Canada to be another one of our states.
One can criticize as much as one wants Americans but I see the psyche of the inferiority complex of some Canadians / collective.

When you wrote:
"I think us Americans just consider Canada to be another one of our states."

Can I infer that, like most US citizens, you are unaware that the US actually invaded Canada twice, and tried to steal territory a third time? The US has always reserved to itself alone the "God-given right" to invade and interfere in the affairs of every nation on earth. If you share in this American exceptionalist type thinking that might explain why you feel that Israel has the right to behave the same way toward the Palestinians. It is obvious that many Israelis feel that all of Palestine should be part of Israel.



King_David

(14,851 posts)
41. You're very anti American yourself
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015

Are you a Canadian Nationalist?

Cute .

But there's very little difference between the USA and Canada. ( except for affording LGBT rights, vive le Canada , more like Israel than the U.S.)

Culturally the USA and Canada are identical, Mike Meyers did a skit on that once on SNL.... So all your talk about US this or that is quite irrelevant...

Resistance is futile... Canada will be the next U.S. State .... Even before Puerto Rico....it's inevitable .

I call it the single state solution.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
42. a single state solution?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 07:55 PM
Apr 2015

That is the only real solution to the Israel/Palestine problem. Add in full right of return for the Palestinians who were terrorized into becoming refugees and the problem is solved. You WERE talking about Israel when you talked of a single state solution, correct?

Only one who has only lived in the US would say that there is very little difference between the US and Canada.

How can I be very anti-American when all of my family is American? True, only some of us live in the US, but America is actually a continent.

To paraphrase Sarah Palin, I could almost see the US from my hometown.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
44. Again, you are talking about Israel and Palestine, correct?
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:04 PM
Apr 2015

Both Semitic peoples, similar cooking styles, similar appearance, similar language and related Abrahamic religion.

It makes sense, but you had better hope that some of the other Israeli apologists and writers of revisionist history do not read about your proposed single state solution.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
47. A 1-state solution works better with W.Bank & Jordan....
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:47 PM
Apr 2015

Same people, culture, religion, etc.

The last century history has proven that Israel & Palestine can't get along with each other peacefully. So why push it unless the aim is war? Jordan and the W.Bank make for a much more rational 1-state.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
49. When you speak of Jordan and Palestine,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 03:27 PM
Apr 2015

are you speaking of the pre-1967 Palestine, or the truncated remnant of Palestine that is all that remains after the Israeli land theft that started in 1967 and continues to this day?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
50. Pre-1967 Palestine was occupied by Jordan and Egypt
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:02 PM
Apr 2015

People sometimes seem to forget that salient piece of information.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
51. The Clinton Parameters or Olmert's offer of 100% pre-'67 land after swaps...
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 04:50 PM
Apr 2015

....works for me. If the PA wants to then merge with Jordan and Jordan accepts them, then there's your 1-state.

I don't understand why you'd find a 1-state Israel-stine preferable to that.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
20. Not enough leverage.
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:22 PM
Apr 2015

And US leaders will still ask, with a straight face, why the Arab world does not trust the US.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
28. Unlike the S.Africans, Israel has always been open to a Palestinian state....
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:41 PM
Apr 2015

....next to it in peace. The result being a Palestinian state of their own, no more "apartheid", no more "land theft", settlements, occupation, "genocide"...

Makes more sense to BDS the Palestinians for rejecting that which they claim to desire most.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
30. Is this an admission?
Mon Apr 27, 2015, 08:46 PM
Apr 2015

when you wrote:
" The result being their own state, no more "apartheid", "land theft", settlements, occupation... "

The problem is that the Israelis have always had a specific type of state in mind for the Palestinians:
A Bantustan:
1. Any of the homelands formerly established for blacks in South Africa by the government during the apartheid era.

2. A landlocked, often fragmented ethnic enclave within a larger state, nominally possessing some degree of autonomy but usually economically dependent and lacking real power.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bantustan

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
37. No, that's why I used parentheses....
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:06 PM
Apr 2015
The problem is that the Israelis have always had a specific type of state in mind for the Palestinians:
A Bantustan:
1. Any of the homelands formerly established for blacks in South Africa by the government during the apartheid era.

2. A landlocked, often fragmented ethnic enclave within a larger state, nominally possessing some degree of autonomy but usually economically dependent and lacking real power.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bantustan


Revisionist history.

The Israelis agreed to the Clinton Parameters. That was NOT a bantustan solution.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
34. What a complete wankfest this article is
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 05:33 AM
Apr 2015

this part stood out for me:-

Well, my brother Tim is one of the word’s greatest authorities on commercial airliners and all their variants. I asked him if the Israelis could convert one of their Boeing 707 tankers into a strategic bomber.

“Easily,” Tim said. “The Israelis make their aircraft do things that nobody can explain.”


Right on big brother Tim. And then there's this part:-

The explosions before the big, blue blast are clearly from Houthi antiaircraft cannons. That sound is totally identifiable. The cannons were unable to shoot down the bomber, which means that the aircraft had incredibly sophisticated countermeasures. All modern antiaircraft cannons use radar. The bomber obviously had electronic jamming capabilities or a way to either hide itself in a virtual cloud or project ghost images of itself elsewhere in the sky. Thus the cannons were blinded, or they fired at mirages.

My brother Tim tells me that he hears multiple jet engines in the videos. It could be that one fighter carrying a bomb was escorted by another. Tim has over forty years’ experience going to airports and listening. He says he hears four engines.


This is complete and utter horse shit. Cannon fire is unguided, there are no countermeasures other than being too high or too fast or too far away. It either hits you or it doesnt. "Ghost images of itself somewhere else in the sky" takes us into tinfoil hat territory.

And Tim has forty years experience going to aircraft and listening? Sounds like he has a lot of time on his hands.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
36. +1. A combination of Israeli supremecist babble and miltary affairs babble.
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:39 AM
Apr 2015

I'm sure it felt good writing it though.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
38. Tim has 40 years in the aircraft industry, pretty much making him an expert
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 01:22 PM
Apr 2015

As to AA guns, modern ones use radar. Look it up and you'll see for yourself. The question is whether Iran (through its proxies in Yemen) has that capability. Maybe through Russia, who knows?

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
48. Tim is still masturbating in his parent's basement
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 09:50 PM
Apr 2015

along with all the other blowhard blog writers that you adore so much.

The Houthis don't have any radar-enabled stationary AA guns. They do have Shilkas, light tanks with radar and anti-aircraft capabilities (perhaps ten or so), but they would be unlikely to be leaving those sitting around as they are so important for them at the front.

As for the explosion, this is the GBU-24 2000-pound bomb that the Saudis are using in Yemen (amongst others):-



(Actually, this is the GBU-27, the Saudis use the 24 but the payload is the same).

Easily enough bang to produce the explosion seen in the video. No magical invisible plane required. And consider this, if the Israelis could really make an invisible jumbo jet that can paint a mirror image of itself in the sky, do you really think that they would hand it over to the Saudis?
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
46. More IDF capabilities...
Tue Apr 28, 2015, 08:57 PM
Apr 2015
Military Intelligence’s offensive cyber division is not only able to attack enemy systems; it also mines data and combines it with visual and signals intelligence.

This technique was used to create a digital map of Gaza so detailed that thousands of targets appeared on it, and every building in Gaza was shown from four different angles.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/IDF-works-to-ward-off-potential-cyber-threat-while-developing-cyber-attack-capabilities-396927

Seeing through walls
https://www.ll.mit.edu/news/thruwallradar.html

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-tech-to-see-through-walls-could-aid-in-kidnap-crisis/
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