Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumDid Israel just demonstrate it's new Bunker Buster capacities, on the Iranian Missile Base in Yemen?
http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/04/26/did-israel-just-use-new-bunker-buster-to-bomb-iranian-missile-base-in-yemen-2/I believe it's very possible Israel was sending a message. The camera crew knew in advance there would be a show & the show didn't disappoint.
That's a MASSIVE explosion and blast wave. I doubt the Saudi led coalition has such a capability. And if they do, they could easily take out Iran's capabilities with that kind of bunker buster all by themselves, without Israel.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Israel DOES have a habit of using violence to settle disputes, much like its protector, the US.
shira
(30,109 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)....or on Israel/Sunni terms.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Israel apologized for the attack, saying that the USS Liberty had been attacked in error after being mistaken for an Egyptian ship.[6] Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries and issued reports that concluded the attack was a mistake due to Israeli confusion about the ship's identity,[2] though others, including survivors of the attack, have rejected these conclusions and maintain that the attack was deliberate.[7]
It's funny how you quantify things, dear.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)American forces have killed numerous allied forces in a host of friendly fire incidents over the years.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Including some survivors of that attack.
shira
(30,109 posts)The fact that the ship had Latin alphabet markings led Chief of Staff Rabin to fear that the ship was Soviet. Though Egyptian warships were known to disguise their identities with Western markings, they usually displayed Arabic letters and numbers only. Rabin ordered the torpedo boats to remain at a safe distance from the ship, and sent in two Hornet (Aérospatiale Super Frelon) helicopters to search for survivors. These radio communications were recorded by Israel. The order also was recorded in the torpedo boat's log, although Commander Oren alleged not to have received it. The order to cease fire was given at 2:20 pm, twenty-four minutes before the torpedo boats arrived at the Liberty's position.[44] At 2:35 pm, Liberty was hit by a torpedo launched from one of the torpedo boats.[45]
Rolando
(88 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)An air strike on a Scud missile base in the Houthi-controlled Yemeni capital Sanaa triggered a big explosion that killed 25 people and wounded almost 400 on Monday, state news agency Saba said.
Saudi Arabia has led an alliance of Sunni Arab countries in air strikes against the Iran-allied Shi'ite Houthi group and army units loyal to ex-president Ali Abdullah Saleh.
"Twenty-five citizens were killed and more than 398 were wounded, mostly women and children, according to a preliminary figure after the Saudi aggression's bombing today," said the agency, which is run by the Houthis.
The number could not be immediately verified, but medical sources told Reuters at least 15 people had been killed and scores wounded.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/20/us-yemen-security-idUSKBN0NB0R820150420
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I'm being polite, if you watch the video the base is on land not imbedded into the side of a mountain like Iranian nuclear facilities, big boom seems the main point but it was weapons depot so of course there was a huge explosion, the rest is conjecture
here's another story on the incident from al Jazeera
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/yemen-sanaa-explosions-150420090515770.html
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)What we see in that video is a primary explosion, not secondary as well.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)From the Jerusalem Post
Preserving strong ties with the United States is a necessity for Israel's security, former IDF Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi said at the Calcalist conference on Tuesday.
"We must preserve ties with the United States. I believe this is a security necessity," he said.
In the past three years, he noted, US taxpayers have contributed more to the Israeli defense budget than Israeli taxpayers.
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Ashkenazi-Preserving-US-ties-a-security-necessity
Israel provides the killers in the Middle East and the US taxpayers fund them. How much do taxpayers contribute each year to fund these killers? Try 3.15 billion a year! That is a lot of money for mercenaries!
Given that U.S. military aid to Israel was $2.775 billion in 2010, $3 billion in 2011, $3.07 billion in 2012 (and $3.15 billion per year from 2013-2018) while Israel's defense budget is around $15 billion, it made us wonder how much Israeli taxpayers contribute and where the other $12 billion non-U.S. aid comes from.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-much-america-really-spends-on-israels-defense-2012-9#ixzz3YY0qdwuC
King_David
(14,851 posts)On the whole it's a very "provincial " country that has an inferiority complex next to the USA and its main point of patriotism or nationalism or the only glue that keeps it together is their anti-Americanism.
And the most hilarious thing is the indifference of Americans.
I think us Americans just consider Canada to be another one of our states.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Or possibly an attempt to deflect from uncomfortable truths that you do not wish to discuss?
Or an attempt at provocation?
Have you ever red "The Ugly American"? It is an interesting book.
King_David
(14,851 posts)One can criticize as much as one wants Americans but I see the psyche of the inferiority complex of some Canadians / collective.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Meaning that ALL of any grouping behave similarly? Perhaps you should utilize your keen analytical method to document your assertions.
I will await your documentation, oh exemplar of American exceptionalism.
King_David
(14,851 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Your two posts:
On the whole it's a very "provincial " country that has an inferiority complex next to the USA and its main point of patriotism or nationalism or the only glue that keeps it together is their anti-Americanism.
And the most hilarious thing is the indifference of Americans.
I think us Americans just consider Canada to be another one of our states.
One can criticize as much as one wants Americans but I see the psyche of the inferiority complex of some Canadians / collective.
When you wrote:
"I think us Americans just consider Canada to be another one of our states."
Can I infer that, like most US citizens, you are unaware that the US actually invaded Canada twice, and tried to steal territory a third time? The US has always reserved to itself alone the "God-given right" to invade and interfere in the affairs of every nation on earth. If you share in this American exceptionalist type thinking that might explain why you feel that Israel has the right to behave the same way toward the Palestinians. It is obvious that many Israelis feel that all of Palestine should be part of Israel.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Are you a Canadian Nationalist?
Cute .
But there's very little difference between the USA and Canada. ( except for affording LGBT rights, vive le Canada , more like Israel than the U.S.)
Culturally the USA and Canada are identical, Mike Meyers did a skit on that once on SNL.... So all your talk about US this or that is quite irrelevant...
Resistance is futile... Canada will be the next U.S. State .... Even before Puerto Rico....it's inevitable .
I call it the single state solution.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)That is the only real solution to the Israel/Palestine problem. Add in full right of return for the Palestinians who were terrorized into becoming refugees and the problem is solved. You WERE talking about Israel when you talked of a single state solution, correct?
Only one who has only lived in the US would say that there is very little difference between the US and Canada.
How can I be very anti-American when all of my family is American? True, only some of us live in the US, but America is actually a continent.
To paraphrase Sarah Palin, I could almost see the US from my hometown.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Same values , same people.
It will be one country one day.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Both Semitic peoples, similar cooking styles, similar appearance, similar language and related Abrahamic religion.
It makes sense, but you had better hope that some of the other Israeli apologists and writers of revisionist history do not read about your proposed single state solution.
King_David
(14,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Same people, culture, religion, etc.
The last century history has proven that Israel & Palestine can't get along with each other peacefully. So why push it unless the aim is war? Jordan and the W.Bank make for a much more rational 1-state.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)are you speaking of the pre-1967 Palestine, or the truncated remnant of Palestine that is all that remains after the Israeli land theft that started in 1967 and continues to this day?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)People sometimes seem to forget that salient piece of information.
shira
(30,109 posts)....works for me. If the PA wants to then merge with Jordan and Jordan accepts them, then there's your 1-state.
I don't understand why you'd find a 1-state Israel-stine preferable to that.
shira
(30,109 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)And US leaders will still ask, with a straight face, why the Arab world does not trust the US.
shira
(30,109 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Larger mass requires more force to move.
shira
(30,109 posts)BDS is cowardly & hypocritical.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The South Africans had a similar opinion of the BDS movement, until they lost.
shira
(30,109 posts)....next to it in peace. The result being a Palestinian state of their own, no more "apartheid", no more "land theft", settlements, occupation, "genocide"...
Makes more sense to BDS the Palestinians for rejecting that which they claim to desire most.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)when you wrote:
" The result being their own state, no more "apartheid", "land theft", settlements, occupation... "
The problem is that the Israelis have always had a specific type of state in mind for the Palestinians:
A Bantustan:
1. Any of the homelands formerly established for blacks in South Africa by the government during the apartheid era.
2. A landlocked, often fragmented ethnic enclave within a larger state, nominally possessing some degree of autonomy but usually economically dependent and lacking real power.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bantustan
shira
(30,109 posts)A Bantustan:
1. Any of the homelands formerly established for blacks in South Africa by the government during the apartheid era.
2. A landlocked, often fragmented ethnic enclave within a larger state, nominally possessing some degree of autonomy but usually economically dependent and lacking real power.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Bantustan
Revisionist history.
The Israelis agreed to the Clinton Parameters. That was NOT a bantustan solution.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)this part stood out for me:-
Easily, Tim said. The Israelis make their aircraft do things that nobody can explain.
Right on big brother Tim. And then there's this part:-
My brother Tim tells me that he hears multiple jet engines in the videos. It could be that one fighter carrying a bomb was escorted by another. Tim has over forty years experience going to airports and listening. He says he hears four engines.
This is complete and utter horse shit. Cannon fire is unguided, there are no countermeasures other than being too high or too fast or too far away. It either hits you or it doesnt. "Ghost images of itself somewhere else in the sky" takes us into tinfoil hat territory.
And Tim has forty years experience going to aircraft and listening? Sounds like he has a lot of time on his hands.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)I'm sure it felt good writing it though.
shira
(30,109 posts)As to AA guns, modern ones use radar. Look it up and you'll see for yourself. The question is whether Iran (through its proxies in Yemen) has that capability. Maybe through Russia, who knows?
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)along with all the other blowhard blog writers that you adore so much.
The Houthis don't have any radar-enabled stationary AA guns. They do have Shilkas, light tanks with radar and anti-aircraft capabilities (perhaps ten or so), but they would be unlikely to be leaving those sitting around as they are so important for them at the front.
As for the explosion, this is the GBU-24 2000-pound bomb that the Saudis are using in Yemen (amongst others):-
(Actually, this is the GBU-27, the Saudis use the 24 but the payload is the same).
Easily enough bang to produce the explosion seen in the video. No magical invisible plane required. And consider this, if the Israelis could really make an invisible jumbo jet that can paint a mirror image of itself in the sky, do you really think that they would hand it over to the Saudis?
shira
(30,109 posts)This technique was used to create a digital map of Gaza so detailed that thousands of targets appeared on it, and every building in Gaza was shown from four different angles.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/IDF-works-to-ward-off-potential-cyber-threat-while-developing-cyber-attack-capabilities-396927
Seeing through walls
https://www.ll.mit.edu/news/thruwallradar.html
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-tech-to-see-through-walls-could-aid-in-kidnap-crisis/