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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:42 AM May 2015

Jewish Home wins Justice Ministry, but balks at Likud limitations

The Likud party agreed to appoint MK Ayelet Shaked as justice minister Wednesday in a bid to bring her Jewish Home party into the coalition, but negotiations snagged after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu imposed limitations on her power in the position.

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However, in making the offer Likud also attempted to clip Shaked’s wings, insisting that she not be able to appoint religious court judges and that she also not chair the Israeli Judicial Committee, the body that appoints judges for the law courts, Hebrew-language news sites reported.

Instead, a Likud minister would head the religious court judges appointment panel, with Shaked, who is nonreligious, and a representative from the ultra-Orthodox Shas party also having their say. The religious courts handle, among other things, matters of marriage and divorce.

Jewish Home indicated, though, that without Shaked retaining leadership of the judicial committee for the law courts, the party will not sign a coalition deal.

Further complicating the negotiations, Housing Minister Uri Ariel reportedly demanded from Jewish Home leader Naftali Bennett that he be given the Justice Ministry instead, under pain of him and another two MKs leaving the coalition, which would leave Netanyahu shy of his needed majority, Army Radio reported.


So, Israel's most powerful legal leader will be Ayelet Shaked., who has explicitly advocated genocide against the Palestinians:

On July 1, 2014, Shaked posted a 2002 article from speechwriter Uri Elitzur on Facebook. According to a translation by Dena Shunra,[7] which Shaked disputes,[8] Elitzur's article said, "Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."[9][10] The article continued, according to Shunra's translation, by saying that Israel should declare war on the "entire [Palestinian] people, including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure."[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayelet_Shaked

The arguments against BDS get less compelling each day. South Africa on the Med.


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Jewish Home wins Justice Ministry, but balks at Likud limitations (Original Post) geek tragedy May 2015 OP
The problem with Wikipedia oberliner May 2015 #1
You are free to place complete trust and faith in Ayelet Shaked. geek tragedy May 2015 #2
Only with respect to what she actually said oberliner May 2015 #4
Are you claiming that it was mistranslated or that it's reasonable geek tragedy May 2015 #6
Mistranslated oberliner May 2015 #10
Do you have an 'accurate' translation of the commentary? geek tragedy May 2015 #11
Do you have the Hebrew version? oberliner May 2015 #12
The google translation of it was pretty close to what EI posted. geek tragedy May 2015 #15
Her FB page has been taken down for some reason azurnoir May 2015 #16
Sickening. Proof once again that fascists and mass-murderers geek tragedy May 2015 #17
Well, there you have it. Palestinians, take heed. n/t Jefferson23 May 2015 #3
Rest of the world, take heed, especially those on the UN Security Council geek tragedy May 2015 #5
I do hope, and deeply so, that you're right and Palestinians see a just resolve as a result. Jefferson23 May 2015 #7
As an Americam perhaps selfishly, my first hope is that my country will stop geek tragedy May 2015 #8
Same here. n/t Jefferson23 May 2015 #9
But the both if you can't do that since thus is R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #14
That tactic has no basis in fact. The motivation behind it is obvious, you must have Jefferson23 May 2015 #18
But the quivering hasbara is that BDS = bad guys. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2015 #13
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. The problem with Wikipedia
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:55 AM
May 2015

It can include whatever the editors want it to include.

Here's what Shaked said about that claim:

In a story headlined "Israeli Politician Declares War on the Palestinian People," Resnick actually suggested I compared Palestinian children to “little snakes,” and accused me of fomenting Palestinian genocide. This vilification was later picked up by several bloggers and reporters, all of whom were convinced of this frightening notion, without even a scrap of fact or truth.

Let's start with my July 1 Facebook post. It was written some 12 years ago, but never published, by a dear man, the recently departed journalist Uri Elitzur. The gist of his article was that once one side in a war attacks the other side's civilians, they can no longer morally claim a special status for their own civilians.

Go ahead, ask a Hebrew speaking friend to translate it for you, they'll confirm this is what my Facebook post was about. But you'll find not a trace of that in Resnick's account. Perhaps it's his own ignorance of the Hebrew language. After all, he got the text from Electronic Intifada, a website dedicated to daily and hourly vilification of my country.

All Resnick had to do to make Elitzur's sober, legally minded discussion sound like a speech made by Hitler himself, was to cherry pick words out of context. A call for the indiscriminate killing of children is a terrible thing. But what if the statement was that any time you kill our children, you're exposing your own children to the same fate? Still unsettling, but rational when you consider that they purposely use their kids as human shields. It's not a call for indiscriminate murder.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Exposing-militant-leftist-propaganda-363062

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. You are free to place complete trust and faith in Ayelet Shaked.
Wed May 6, 2015, 10:58 AM
May 2015

But, most of us lack your motivation to do so.

She posted that hateful call for genocide of her own volition, referring to future Palestinian children as "little snakes."

Israel's next Justice Minister is a seething, nasty, racist, genocidalist, bloodlusting fascist.

That is not opinion, that is fact.

Sorry if that inconviences those waving blue and white pom-poms.

Must be rough defending Jim Crow.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. Only with respect to what she actually said
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:25 AM
May 2015

It's pretty easy to oppose her positions but also to allow her to say what her positions are.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Are you claiming that it was mistranslated or that it's reasonable
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:27 AM
May 2015

for someone to call for killing the mothers of enemy combatants and destroying their homes so that more "little snakes" won't be born and raised?



 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
10. Mistranslated
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:08 PM
May 2015

I don't agree with the sentiments either way but translation can be pretty subjective.

Like the whole "wipe off the map" vs. "vanish from the pages of time" thing with the President of Iran.

I think people can focus on the extreme right-wing positions that this woman has (and proudly affirms) for criticism rather than something that she denies having said or meant.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Do you have the Hebrew version?
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:21 PM
May 2015

If you can provide me with a link to that, I can try to get a translation.

Electronic Intifada, as you must admit, is an agenda-driven website that is explicitly anti-Zionist and as such would not be the go-to source for an unbiased translation in this case.

It would be like relying on a pro-Zionist Israeli source for a translation of a speech by a Palestinian extremist.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. The google translation of it was pretty close to what EI posted.
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:59 PM
May 2015

She herself bleats mainly that it was taken out of context.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. Sickening. Proof once again that fascists and mass-murderers
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:03 PM
May 2015

can come to power via elections as well as via brute force.

No different than Slobo's goons in Bosnia.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. Rest of the world, take heed, especially those on the UN Security Council
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:26 AM
May 2015

I imagine the nanosecond the ink is dry on an Iran nuclear agreement, the UN will turn to Israel's slow motion annexation of the West Bank, with Israel now so toxic even the US won't stand by it.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
7. I do hope, and deeply so, that you're right and Palestinians see a just resolve as a result.
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:31 AM
May 2015

I am of the belief a bantustan is not a viable state, no matter what bullshit
they may use as a cover.

In solidarity....

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. As an Americam perhaps selfishly, my first hope is that my country will stop
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:33 AM
May 2015

being part of the problem and an enabler of apartheid via its emotionally-driven policies of protecting Israel from the consequences of its decisions.



 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
14. But the both if you can't do that since thus is
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:51 PM
May 2015

somebody else's fight. What do you wanna be: Dreamer leaders of the Palestinian people???

Do I need a sarcasm thingy or are you good with this?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
18. That tactic has no basis in fact. The motivation behind it is obvious, you must have
Wed May 6, 2015, 03:17 PM
May 2015

an ulterior motive. The US has supplied arms and political cover to the Israeli
government, as a US citizen who abhors these policies and as a tax payer,
you have skin in the game. No different than when Americans protested
Viet Nam war against LBJ, a Democrat..a president who ignored those
fucking hippies, but you know, he was a Democrat, so those citizens
must have been deeply wrong to be against that war. This is what
you're being told is a reason to support the occupation and all that
goes with it...it is bi-partisan...so it must have merit.

This kind of mindless talk is not worth responding to, and unfortunately,
US foreign policies have been so destructive across the globe, we have
skin in the game in many far away places and an obligation to speak
out against such policies. Just look at how the neocons reacted to Obama on Iran,
they about lost their minds and they don't like to talk about what influences
them, either.

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
13. But the quivering hasbara is that BDS = bad guys.
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:47 PM
May 2015

Just forget Israeli apartheid.

Just forget land theft.

Just forget the Nakba.

Just forget ethnic cleansing.


Just forget...

But those BDS guys are reel bad.

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