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Related: About this forumPalestinian bus separation saga: Israel cannot bury the damage done
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.657498The trouble is that this demand would mean separate buses (because the settlers absolutely reject being themselves delayed at the crossings), and separate buses are perceived as an outright manifestation of the apartheid rule Israel is accused of imposing in the West Bank. Moreover, claims voiced by settlers of dangers posed to Jewish women by the Palestinian laborers (claims which themselves emit a strong scent of racism), came up during preliminary discussions held ahead of the plan's implementation and were reiterated over the past two days - in a way that pulls the rug out from under the security argument that Yaalon was trying to promote.
The discussions over Yaalon's plan began back in January 2014. To his mind, the plan was also motivated by a state comptrollers report from the beginning of the decade that criticized the crossings' breeches. And yet, the Israel Defense Forces was not enthusiastic. The previous GOC Central Command major, Nitzan Alon, said he doubted stricter tabs on crossing registration of laborers would necessarily reduce security risks. The launching of the pilot program was put off by several months until the defense minister enforced it on the military this week. Meanwhile, already in October of last year - when there were intentions to launch a pilot at a single crossing - the Justice Ministry warned it would be problematic legally. Despite that, the pilot was launched this week, with the intent of commencing its implementation at four crossings.
The report on Tuesday night in Haaretz immediately engendered angry responses in Israel and particularly harsh responses abroad. The first to denounce the plan was actually a right-winger, former Interior Minister Gideon Saar, who offered a fleshed-out attack on it via a tweet. The plan, he wrote, was mistaken and damaging both to the settlement project as a whole and to Israels status in the world. He called for it to be cancelled as soon as possible.
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The prime minister knew, in principle, about Yaalons intentions to enforce the plan - but he was not informed that it would start this week. Netanyahu had made no attempt to intervene in order to freeze the plan. On Wednesday morning he was forced to recognize the fact that circumstances required his intervention. Netanyahu had a meeting on Wednesday with the European Unions Foreign Minister Federika Mogherini, that was followed by a joint statement to the press - and the last thing he needed was to be publicly taken to task by the EU, along with a grilling by foreign reporters. Then came the abrupt U-turn. Netanyahu and Yaalon spoke on the phone and Yaalons media adviser issued a short statement to the press to the effect that the two "have agreed to suspend the pilot at the Judea and Samaria crossings.
The discussions over Yaalon's plan began back in January 2014. To his mind, the plan was also motivated by a state comptrollers report from the beginning of the decade that criticized the crossings' breeches. And yet, the Israel Defense Forces was not enthusiastic. The previous GOC Central Command major, Nitzan Alon, said he doubted stricter tabs on crossing registration of laborers would necessarily reduce security risks. The launching of the pilot program was put off by several months until the defense minister enforced it on the military this week. Meanwhile, already in October of last year - when there were intentions to launch a pilot at a single crossing - the Justice Ministry warned it would be problematic legally. Despite that, the pilot was launched this week, with the intent of commencing its implementation at four crossings.
The report on Tuesday night in Haaretz immediately engendered angry responses in Israel and particularly harsh responses abroad. The first to denounce the plan was actually a right-winger, former Interior Minister Gideon Saar, who offered a fleshed-out attack on it via a tweet. The plan, he wrote, was mistaken and damaging both to the settlement project as a whole and to Israels status in the world. He called for it to be cancelled as soon as possible.
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The prime minister knew, in principle, about Yaalons intentions to enforce the plan - but he was not informed that it would start this week. Netanyahu had made no attempt to intervene in order to freeze the plan. On Wednesday morning he was forced to recognize the fact that circumstances required his intervention. Netanyahu had a meeting on Wednesday with the European Unions Foreign Minister Federika Mogherini, that was followed by a joint statement to the press - and the last thing he needed was to be publicly taken to task by the EU, along with a grilling by foreign reporters. Then came the abrupt U-turn. Netanyahu and Yaalon spoke on the phone and Yaalons media adviser issued a short statement to the press to the effect that the two "have agreed to suspend the pilot at the Judea and Samaria crossings.
Pesky Ya-alon should have waited until Mogherini had left town, and gotten the talking points out.
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Palestinian bus separation saga: Israel cannot bury the damage done (Original Post)
geek tragedy
May 2015
OP
So what they can't bury the damage, this government has not ever paid a price. Continued occupation
Jefferson23
May 2015
#2
Win at any cost and the cost to their own humanity, it appears they're ok with that too. n/t
Jefferson23
May 2015
#5
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)1. Perhaps they could have the Palestinians ride in the back of the bus.
Now where have I heard that one before?
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)4. Where have you heard it before?
You just posted it yourself. That's where it's from.
Or is there some kind of israeli movement to get palestinians to ride in the back of the bus?
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)6. Not in the back of the bus.
On a different bus. The old "separate but equal" theory.
And both of those phrases were used by segregationists in the American South to justify separating blacks from whites in the apartheid south.
Shaktimaan
(5,397 posts)7. Right. They were used by segregationists in the south.
They aren't being used by Israelis in Israel, are they?
Do israeli Arabs have to sit in the back of the bus in Israel?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)2. So what they can't bury the damage, this government has not ever paid a price. Continued occupation
and human rights abuses..oh well.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)3. Netanyahu's government is on a flight to nowhere....
The proposed separation between Jews and Arabs on buses is just the beginning: Where there is no vision, the government will cast off restraint, to paraphrase Proverbs.
By Ari Shavit
The 34th government of the State of Israel is a flight to nowhere. Peace? Even if Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas had an epiphany tonight, after which he falls in love with the Zionist movement, recognizes the Jewish state and accepts the Alon Plan, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahus new government will tell him no. The reliance on bizarre extremist groups will not allow this government to end the conflict, even if the end of the conflict is offered to it on a silver platter.
War? Even if Israel is criminally attacked by an atrocious enemy, the new right-right-right government will not have the necessary legitimacy to resolutely stand up for Israels right to protect itself. The blacker than black image of a cabinet in which Naftali Bennett, Yariv Levin and Zeev Elkin serve will force a tough battle on us, one that we will have great difficulty withstanding.
Socioeconmic improvement? Finance Minister Moshe Kahlon will do his best, but as he himself knows, a coalition of 61, at the mercy of the settlers, the ultra-Orthodox and the wheeler-dealers, will not be able to make the necessary structural changes in the economy nor to mend the ruptures in society.
Change in the system of government? Dont make me laugh. Promoting a civil-democratic agenda. LOL.
But the flight to nowhere is also a flight to a very bad place. Where there is no vision, the government will cast off restraint, to paraphrase Proverbs. Since the 22 well-dressed passengers on the new executive jet know that their aircraft will not take off or fly, they will uproot and destroy day and night and advance their personal and sectorial agendas.
The justice minister will undermine the independence of the judiciary system. The culture and sports minister will plot against (elitist) culture and vent hostility against the (subversive) art world. The communications minister will peck out the eyes of the media (which he so recently tried to decapitate). The ultra-Orthodox will take care of the ultra-Orthodox, the settlers will double themselves and the emissaries of the Likud Central Committee will work to benefit the Likud Central Committee.
What will happen? It will be a cuckoos nest. The proposed separation between Jews and Arabs on buses in Judea and Samaria is just the beginning. The flight to nowhere will break us apart at lightning speed.
The unfortunate pilot knows full well where his flight is headed. He hates the plane that he has had to construct and despises (almost) each and every passenger. The pilot also knows that at any given moment any snot-nosed outcast can bang on the door and put a skyjackers gun to his head. And so Netanyahu, to himself, has given Flight 34 six months. If by the end of 2015 he has not managed to establish a unity government, he will go for elections.
But the fact that the flight to nowhere is also a brief one intensifies the wild passions within it. The motto is catch as catch can; the line is eat and drink for tomorrow we are grounded. This flight is a messy flight, too, every one for himself or herself and after me, the flood.
We are facing the scenario of the Fourth Republic. As in France in the 1950s, Israel is facing a dramatic problem of occupation. As in France at the time, Israel finds itself in the throes of a madness that does not allow it to deal with the occupation nor to function as a sovereign nation. But unlike France at the time, Israel has no de Gaulle. Neither does it have a plan that would lead it to establish a stable and stabilizing Fifth Republic.
That is why dark powers and urges, which do not represent the majority of Israelis, are going wild. The flight to nowhere brings to the absurd the bankruptcy of Israeli politics. The circus is no longer colorful or amusing. It is ruining the very foundations of the Zionist enterprise.
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.657461
By Ari Shavit
The 34th government of the State of Israel is a flight to nowhere. Peace? Even if Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas had an epiphany tonight, after which he falls in love with the Zionist movement, recognizes the Jewish state and accepts the Alon Plan, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahus new government will tell him no. The reliance on bizarre extremist groups will not allow this government to end the conflict, even if the end of the conflict is offered to it on a silver platter.
War? Even if Israel is criminally attacked by an atrocious enemy, the new right-right-right government will not have the necessary legitimacy to resolutely stand up for Israels right to protect itself. The blacker than black image of a cabinet in which Naftali Bennett, Yariv Levin and Zeev Elkin serve will force a tough battle on us, one that we will have great difficulty withstanding.
Socioeconmic improvement? Finance Minister Moshe Kahlon will do his best, but as he himself knows, a coalition of 61, at the mercy of the settlers, the ultra-Orthodox and the wheeler-dealers, will not be able to make the necessary structural changes in the economy nor to mend the ruptures in society.
Change in the system of government? Dont make me laugh. Promoting a civil-democratic agenda. LOL.
But the flight to nowhere is also a flight to a very bad place. Where there is no vision, the government will cast off restraint, to paraphrase Proverbs. Since the 22 well-dressed passengers on the new executive jet know that their aircraft will not take off or fly, they will uproot and destroy day and night and advance their personal and sectorial agendas.
The justice minister will undermine the independence of the judiciary system. The culture and sports minister will plot against (elitist) culture and vent hostility against the (subversive) art world. The communications minister will peck out the eyes of the media (which he so recently tried to decapitate). The ultra-Orthodox will take care of the ultra-Orthodox, the settlers will double themselves and the emissaries of the Likud Central Committee will work to benefit the Likud Central Committee.
What will happen? It will be a cuckoos nest. The proposed separation between Jews and Arabs on buses in Judea and Samaria is just the beginning. The flight to nowhere will break us apart at lightning speed.
The unfortunate pilot knows full well where his flight is headed. He hates the plane that he has had to construct and despises (almost) each and every passenger. The pilot also knows that at any given moment any snot-nosed outcast can bang on the door and put a skyjackers gun to his head. And so Netanyahu, to himself, has given Flight 34 six months. If by the end of 2015 he has not managed to establish a unity government, he will go for elections.
But the fact that the flight to nowhere is also a brief one intensifies the wild passions within it. The motto is catch as catch can; the line is eat and drink for tomorrow we are grounded. This flight is a messy flight, too, every one for himself or herself and after me, the flood.
We are facing the scenario of the Fourth Republic. As in France in the 1950s, Israel is facing a dramatic problem of occupation. As in France at the time, Israel finds itself in the throes of a madness that does not allow it to deal with the occupation nor to function as a sovereign nation. But unlike France at the time, Israel has no de Gaulle. Neither does it have a plan that would lead it to establish a stable and stabilizing Fifth Republic.
That is why dark powers and urges, which do not represent the majority of Israelis, are going wild. The flight to nowhere brings to the absurd the bankruptcy of Israeli politics. The circus is no longer colorful or amusing. It is ruining the very foundations of the Zionist enterprise.
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.657461
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)5. Win at any cost and the cost to their own humanity, it appears they're ok with that too. n/t