It’s only to be expected when facing a worldwide campaign aimed at implementing justice and international law: the stage of denial, of repression and clinging to the false, nearly magical belief that if Israel will just explain its position better and invest the appropriate resources, everything will be fine. In other words, Israel continues to think that the world is dumb (and Israel is smart). That you can sell the world anything, just as you can sell anything to Israelis. That Adelson will buy the world’s sympathy the way he buys politicians in America, and the deputy ambassador in Dublin will show those Irish anti-Semites what’s what.

It’s self-deception, of course, and it’s also part of the campaign of propaganda and lies. There are some things, said the late ambassador Yohanan Meroz, that are not “hasbarable.” One of them is Israel’s actions. No explainer or propagandist can explain the perpetuation of the occupation. It just won’t work.

Granted, in a country full of propagandists, it has been working for close to 50 years already; most Israelis are convinced that all is really fine with us; that the IDF is really moral and the occupation is really an occupation of no choice; that Israel can live by the sword forever and be dismissive of the whole world, that it can tyrannize the Palestinians, wreck Gaza every other year, shoot children and believe that justice is on its side and that the world will see this too. That propaganda can replace any other policy.

That you can fool the whole world all the time. You can come up with all sorts of new (and strange) conditions every two or three years for ending the occupation and insisting that the spit we’re feeling is just raindrops. You can blame the Palestinians for everything and obscure the simple fact that this brutal occupation is Israeli. You can tell the world that it all belongs to us because the Bible says so and believe that anyone will take you seriously. You can be sure that the memory of the Holocaust will serve us forever, and justify any injustice.

Of course, it won’t work indefinitely. It hasn’t worked in any country in history, no matter how strong and well-established, not even in the mightiest empires. Justice always triumphs in the end, even if very belatedly. And justice says that Israel cannot continue to tyrannize another people forever, even if Haim Saban himself lends his support.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.659480

Said the text was only available to subscribers.

Then I saw you posted the whole article in its entirety so nobody has to pay Haaretz to read it.

I'm currently out of the country and that may be it.

The point is that nobody need pay Haaretz to read this article at all as the entire article is now on DU free, even if one Googles it , you can be directed here.

No need to subscribe nor pay Haaretz.

Especially one that is meant to be behind a paywall.

Usually we are instructed here to only include a few paragraphs.

So here we go ...." a few paragraphs it is "......

Going by Ayelet Shaked's logic, Israel should boycott Obama

If Israel's justice minister is serious about boycotting the boycotters, she should start with the U.S. president. After all, what has he done for Israel recently?

Right-wing responses to the boycott assault on Israel range from sharp accusations to stormy denials. The Europeans, after all, hate us for no reason. They’re anti-Semitic to the bone and their entire goal is to destroy innocent little Israel, which seeks only peace and justice. There is no connection at all to the cruel occupation, which will mark its 50th anniversary in 2017.

According to Likud and Habayit Hayehudi, the boycott has absolutely nothing to do with continued settlement construction in the territories; with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s rejectionist policy; with the siege on Gaza; with Palestinian children who were killed; houses destroyed; horrific poverty and terrible unemployment.

It has nothing to do with the closures, the checkpoints or the economic oppression – which does not allow construction or the establishment of factories – and is unconnected to the humiliation that the territories’ residents undergo on a daily basis. None of that has anything to do with it. It’s all because of the hate campaign against innocent, pure and righteous Israel.

So what if until 1967 we were one of the most beloved nations on Earth. Then, it was a great honor to declare at every opportunity: I am an Israeli. So what if after Oslo in 1993 the entire world applauded us, world leaders arrived, embassies opened, and the Arab boycott was lifted? Who remembers that? Certainly not Netanyahu, Tzipi Hotovely (Likud) or Ayelet Shaked (Habayit Hayehudi).

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.659731

Now the problem is I can't access the article on Haaaretz.

who keep the boy-band-level adoration for the country; remember Bibi got only 23% of the vote

perhaps the real danger is the self-image shared by all save the further left--that the country's doing the best it can given the conditions it's been handed, and struggling toward some sort of fair society

A very interesting article, and one that reinforces what the whole world is already aware of. Except, of course, certain apologists for the Israeli government.

The whole anti-BDS sanctions movement that is occurring in statehouses in the US is a transparent attempt by politicians (many of whom are funded by Israeli money) to head off a movement that was successful in the struggle in South Africa.

As the article mentions, denial can work as a tactic or coping mechanism for a time, but reality has a way of intruding. No matter how much money a casino billionaire spends.

Are you sure ?

Can you give us an example of this , in pretty sure that would be a 1st page headline.

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Is what the bigoted Parizeu said about Jews famously in Quebec....

Was referring to Jewish Quebecois and not Israeli... Same thing in the USA ...Adelsohn is Jewish and not Israeli.

Since you must know that Israelis can't give money to US politicians - only Americans can.

Gingrich and the Adelsons have known each other for years, and share similar pro-Israel and hard-line views on the Middle East. The Adelsons have donated hundreds of millions of dollars to various Jewish and Israeli causes through several charitable foundations they have created. Sheldon Adelson, born in 1933, is of Jewish-Ukrainian descent, and Miriam Adelson has dual citizenship in the United States and her native Israel.

Read more here:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/04/26/8465/donor-profile-sheldon-adelson

Given that Miriam Adelson has dual citizenship, Adelson contributions are also Israeli money.

That seems a bit of a stretch.

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With Israeli Money

That's what I don't get.

So my post was correct. When she donates she does so as a US citizen and as an Israeli citizen.

What a bunch of nonsense.

My boyfriend is Israeli, does that mean every donation of mine is "Israeli".

That's a real fail of an explanation.

Maybe you meant Jewish Americans because Israeli money is not going to American elections.

It is in the original link that I supplied. She has dual citizenship.

As to your situation, if you are a US citizen, you donate as a US citizen. If you read my explanations and my link you will see that when I referred to "Israeli money" I was not referring to the Israeli government, but to Israeli citizens who donate to US politicians. So I do not feel that my explanation represents "a real fail of an explanation". Your comments represent a real failure to understand what I posted.

Sheldon Adelsons wife ?

How about his cousins?

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Really , that's it?

But to clear things up for you, here is the post:

"Gingrich and the Adelsons have known each other for years, and share similar pro-Israel and hard-line views on the Middle East. The Adelsons have donated hundreds of millions of dollars to various Jewish and Israeli causes through several charitable foundations they have created. Sheldon Adelson, born in 1933, is of Jewish-Ukrainian descent, and Miriam Adelson has dual citizenship in the United States and her native Israel."

Read more here:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/04/26/8465/donor-profile-sheldon-adelson

Given that Miriam Adelson has dual citizenship, Adelson contributions are also Israeli money.


So, to be very clear,
1) Miriam Adelson is married to Sheldon Adelson, he of the massive wealth who singlehandedly funded Newt Gingrich.
2) Miriam Adelson is a native Israeli who has not renounced her Israeli citizenship.
3) The second sentence states that "the Adelsons" have donated money. They also donate heavily to GOP politicians.

The bottom line is that my post #13 is, and was correct. If the fact of the post makes you, or others here, uncomfortable, that is your, and their problem. But my post is correct and factual. Simply admit it and move past it.

Simply admit that the Quebecker is correct. (We generally are, you realize.)

Or are you saying that all French named people look alike?

Sounds like profiling. I do not even own a gilet. Or a beret, for that matter. But Roquefort IS my favorite cheese.

As there are in Canada too British

Ever heard of Conrad Black ?

Why didn't you just say Miriam Adelson's money if she is the only person you are talking about?

My link simply validates my claim.

The poster convinced me to vote for Netanyahu.

...and advocates the end of the Jewish state altogether.

Funny, because Levy is one of the biggest propagandists around.

Sounds like Republicans and how they view the world. That reality can be ignored and reshaped to simply be whatever they want it to be, and that there won't be any consequences.