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WATCH: Israel boycotters in Ireland filmed agreeing to do business with human rights violators Sudan, North Korea and Iran
An American Jewish reporter secretly filmed three Irish retailers who boycott Israeli products agreeing to do business with Sudan, Iran and North Korea.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/boycott-israel-yes-iran-sudan-nah/
King_David
(14,851 posts)Hint :
It has nothing to do with the occupation.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)anti-Semitism? If so, you will likely be surprised to read the following article. Read it and feel free to reassess your opinion:
The Zionist Connection:
Irish Jews profound attachment to Zionism in the period before Israels establishment can be traced back to the 1890s, when Irish Zionist Associations and branches of Chovevei Zion (Lovers of Zion) were among the most active in Europe. In 1900, the Dublin Daughters of Zion (DDZ) was founded. This was the first womens Zionist society in Western Europe. To put this in context, it was not until February 1912 that Henrietta Szold convened the first meeting of the American Daughters of Zion, the first womens Zionist group in the United States. The Jewish National Fund (JNF), Dublin Commission, developed into a not insignificant branch of the worldwide JNF and, from the late 1930s, its per capita contributions were higher than those made by communities in Leeds, Glasgow, and London. In his autobiography, Chaim Herzog, the Irish-born two-term president of Israel, recalled how during his childhood in Dublin and Belfast the concept of a Jewish state emerged in our collective consciousness [and] added considerably to our sense of pride. As that consciousness expanded, it strengthened our entire community.
http://jcpa.org/article/ireland%E2%80%99s-jews-past-present-future/
Plus there have been three Lords Mayor of Dublin who were Jewish. Perhaps the support for the BDS movement stems from an unwillingness to support an Israeli government that has established an apartheid-type state and is intent on erasing any Palestinian presence in Palestine so that the Israelis can appropriate all the resources that they have not taken to date.
Just a thought.
King_David
(14,851 posts)So are Quebec Jews a place that Mordecai Richler described as very antisemitic.
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/rewind/mordecai-richler-1.3018067
And so?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Doing business with Norh Korea or Sudan or Iran but but but the Jewish State?
Well ?
LOL
shira
(30,109 posts).....products coming out of Iran, Sudan, and N.Korea?
The US is a US ally. The US is imperialist and really, really bad. The others aren't US allies. This is a virtue.
Israeli expresses support for what amounts to traditional Western values. The others don't.
Israel is still vaguely capitalist, whatever its origins in the kibbutzim. N. Korea is clearly a command economy and uses the nice name "socialism" at times. The others are also not clearly rooted in laissez-faire capitalism, however modified.
Israel has a white government oppressing brown people; it has a Jewish government oppressing Muslims. The others have like oppressing like, and therefore it's an entirely internal matter.
N. Korean, Iran, and Sudan are not viewed as colonizing powers (even though Arabs and Islam are expansionist and invasive and pre-Aab Conquest minorities remain in Sudan, Iran is the rump of the Persian empire and still includes many non-Persian, non-Iranian minorities). Israel is viewed as group of invading Zionist colonizers. Unlike two of the others, where their invasions occurred centuries ago.
Whatever the role of theocracy in each of the three (K. Korea, with its Kim-god, Iran with its Shi'ite theocracy, and Sudan as a self-avowed Islamic state), it strikes people as less salient than the Jewish character of the Israeli state. Perhaps because Xian fundies often support it for that reason. Perhaps because it's just closer to the West and we know more about it than some others.
Israel's shown military capacity to defend itself and has even dared to do so; it might have nuclear weapons (odds are, but after so many decades I'm not sure I'd trust them to be more than kinetic projectiles). Those who are strong need to be brought down, not supported. We must support the weak because the weak are always victims.
The economic reason for BDS is harder to make in the case of N. Korea. It's not a large market with easy access. At least Iran is a large enough market to be more attractive to many than Israel is. Not sure what to say about Sudan.
See, there are a lot of fallacious reasons besides anti-Semitism. Of course, sometimes these reasons overlap with each other and with anti-Semitism so it's hard to tell the difference.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Wow.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)still_one
(92,204 posts)Israel, but why would we boycott an ally
In fact both Hillary and Bernie support Israel. Doesn't mean they see eye to eye on everything, but there is no doubt in my mind that no Democratic candidate would be for boycotting Israel
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)People, apparently are this stupid.
shira
(30,109 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)As comedy goes, this was a poor attempt. I hope he didn't quit his day job.
shira
(30,109 posts)...they support Palestinian human rights turn out to be sanctimonious bigots when presented with situations that are far worse.
For example, genuine Apartheid in Lebanon vs. Palestinians....
http://friendsoflebanon.org/archives/1258
That's the [font color = "red"]real[/font] thing. Those Palestinians were born in Lebanon & are denied the most basic rights by law there.
And yet, the anti-zionist BDS contingent claiming to be against Apartheid [font color = "red"]condones[/font] this.
Try to explain that one.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)When crazy people speak to me, I usually just nod politely and hope they'll go away. If you watch the clip carefully, you can see that the contribution of the people he speak to is minimal, mostly nods and ahums.
It would be really sad if the comedy is unintentional, and that Ami Horowitz is serious about what he's doing.
shira
(30,109 posts)Explain to me why the BDS movement (supposedly pure as the driven snow) condones Apartheid vs. Palestinians.
This demonstrates the same idiocy seen in the video by sanctimonious bigots within the BDS movement.
Where am I wrong?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Why doesn't the ADL say anything about discrimination against Mexicans?
Why doesn't Free Tibet talk more about the occupation of Western Sahara?
Why doesn't Sea Shepherd pipe up about the plight of the black rhinoceros?
AIM isn't saying a peep about the native struggles of Papua New Guinea, why is that?
Shira doesn't know how activism works, what's up with that?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) strongly condemns the hateful rhetoric appearing in some media and on the Internet demonizing Mexicans for the swine flu outbreak. Anti-immigrant groups and some media commentators are using the outbreak to advance their prejudiced views and agendas, warning that the virus in the U.S. is the result of illegal immigration.
"Such inflammatory and hateful rhetoric against Mexicans in particular, and Latinos in general, should be condemned as unacceptable and un-American," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "The airwaves and the Internet are being used to promote negative, false stereotypes and the demonization of Mexicans."
Xenophobes have historically looked for situations such as this to promote the idea that immigrants are a liability to the United States, claiming that immigrants bring poverty, disease and crime into the country.
ADL, which monitors extremist and anti-immigrant rhetoric, has documented how anti-immigrant groups and others have used such rhetoric in an attempt to demonize and scapegoat Hispanics and other immigrant groups.
http://archive.adl.org/presrele/dirab_41/5516_41.html#.VX6bWOuprzI
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Point remains, activism tends to stay closely focused. To take the focus of an activist group or movement and read it as indifference or even hate towards issues other than the focus, is disingenuous.
Sort of like this new meme on DU where talking about economics means you hate brown people. it's very stupid.
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)http://www.timesofisrael.com/boycott-israel-yes-iran-sudan-nah/
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)It's Jew hatred, plain and simple.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Is Jew hatred of a presidential candidate in the USA not of concern to you?
shira
(30,109 posts)Right down the toilet.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's hard not to be, it's pretty over the top.
I wondr how many shopkeepers refused to play along, that we didn't see? Thus the inherent flaw of this Okeefery.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The guy who made this vid perhaps should have gotten a few pointers from him
the video in which we're told are Irish shopkeepers are eager to do business with Iran, Sudan, and North Korea but not Israel, shows them politely listen to this guy attempting to portray himself a rep from Sudan, Iran, or North Korea, who always makes sure to throw in his company doesn't do business with Israel. The shop keepers politely let him ramble and accept his card, none seem all too enthused about future business dealings though
The message is quite clear.
Wouldn't be so funny if it weren't so pathetic.
Borat was a good one to compare to where in his movies he got people to agree with him on Jew Hatred . Nobody agrees on these kind of things unless they really feel that way.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)they let him ramble , accepted his card and ushered out their doors, all without any promise of future business
eta didn't Cohen get sued for his antics?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Not sure why anyone would defend these bigots.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)http://www.timesofisrael.com/boycott-israel-yes-iran-sudan-nah/
King_David
(14,851 posts)That is what progressives do.
As well as condemn Homophobia and Misogyny as occurs in Palestine.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the video amounts to character smearing as it attempts to label the people that were secretly taped as antisemites
wonder if like Cohen this guy too will get sued
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)because here you unequivocally condemn me for posting about the author of this thread anti-Obama screed on Fox news blaming "Obama's obscene moral relativism" for the conflict in Gaza last summer, do I need add I wasn't supporting it or her
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=80368
have you had a change of heart about Fox?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Probably because I have a distaste for it.
The OP was posted from Times of Israel.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)i have not endorsed anything from Fox
http://www.timesofisrael.com/boycott-israel-yes-iran-sudan-nah/