Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumSeattle's gay mayor rejects calls to boycott Israel, listens to LGBT Palestinian students
Rejecting calls to cancel visit, Ed Murray participated in Tel Aviv's Gay Pride Parade; 'I encourage any country that supports LGBT people,' he tells Haaretz.
Despite vocal efforts by supporters of the movement to boycott Israel, Seattle Mayor Ed Murray joined tens of thousands of people in Tel Aviv's annual Gay Pride Parade on Friday.
Murray, 60, is openly gay and has spent the past two weeks in Israel with his spouse, Michael Shiosaki. He also participated in an international conference organized by the local LGBT community and met with senior Israeli and Palestinian officials.
In an interview with Haaretz, Murray expressed his objection to the boycott movement, saying it would not lead to the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He further rejected claims Israel is "pinkwashing" the oppression of the Palestinians and occupation by touting the rights enjoyed by homosexuals in Israel.
"The boycott movement is made up of various people in the United States. A whole bunch of young people who just really care about justice, and others who I'm not sure what their motivation is. I worry that they're not just anti-Israel but maybe more," Murray said. "There were letters that were written to me by very mainstream people, who I know support the State of Israel, but believe that there should be a boycott. There were protests downtown and at my office. I believe that the situation is very complex. It's one that I wanted to understand. I wish that people who are boycotting would actually come here, go to the West Bank like I went to the West Bank, talk to people here in Israel as well."
This is Murray's first visit to Israel and the Palestinian Authority, and according to the mayor, he never had any intention of canceling his visit.
"We initially made the decision almost a year ago to accept this invitation, to speak at the pride conference. Any country that is supportive of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people is a country I want to keep encouraging them to do that. The battle in Israel is not over for LGBT people, and anything I can do to encourage that, I'm going to do it."
Murray says he rejects any form of boycott against Israel: "Given the complexity of the situation, from the Palestinian side and the Israeli side, I don't think that boycott is going to move the situation forward. We're dealing with a very different reality than we know in the United States, a very different reality than other parts of the world. I think we should continue to put pressure on Israel, to come to some sort of agreement with the Palestinians, but I don't think a boycott is going to get us there. If anything, I would invite Americans to come here, spend time with Israelis, spend time with Palestinians.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.660989
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)My mayor has decided that lives only matter if they are part of his identity group.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)BTW your mayor is also Richard Silverstein's ......from his blog :
The following is an op-ed written by Yediot Achronot reporter, Shai Zamir. To my knowledge, it has not appeared in the papers online edition, nor in the Ynet English edition. Its important enough to the debate raging about pinkwashing that I wanted it to be accessible to English readers. Its a critique of gay pride Israel-style as a facade behind which Israeli racism and intolerance flourish:........
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/06/14/israeli-pride-as-pinkwashing/
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I think there's a general sort of cluelessness paired with the duck-and-cover necessities of American politics.
It's still sad, though. Maybe he could have a talk with congressman McDermott.
Israeli
(4,151 posts)and " cluelessness " for sure ....complete ignorance on some aspects.. which is the norm for most American politicians .
Saddest part is that he was bought and paid for ...and used by Bibi and Co.
ref: http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/06/15/seattle-mayor-murrays-pinkwash-adventure-continues/
plus : http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/06/07/israeli-foreign-ministry-subsidizes-seattle-mayors-vacation-in-arab-middle-east/
King_David
(14,851 posts)Really ?
http://ukmediawatch.org/2014/02/22/richard-silverstein-accuses-african-american-zionist-of-being-a-negro-uncle-tom/
King_David
(14,851 posts)Who does he remind you of?
King_David
(14,851 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)By purposefully ignoring the elephant in the room, he looks like an apartheid supporter who's just trying to deflect from the real issue.
King_David
(14,851 posts)No
He is just a real progressive, recognizes how progressive Israel is with LGBT rights compared to her neighbors and is not a
PEP ( progressive except for Palestine - Google it)
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)yesterday, I wrote about the phenomenon of PEP (Progressive Except on Palestine) a condition, in which victims are liberal on every issue except the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Some PEPs diagnose themselves with the syndrome, openly embrace it and identify as PEP-Positive. These PEPs will declare with pride that they line up ideologically with liberals except for when it comes to supporting the government of Israel. Some of them will claim that supporting Israeli policy is a liberal position and that their stance is consistent with liberal values. So, they are aware that they disagree with liberals but see their fellow liberals as not understanding that unquestioning support for Israeli policy is a liberal value. They would accuse others of being PEI, Progressive Except on Israel. The other population of self-diagnosing PEPs are those who say they are liberal almost always but that their Zionism is the one thing that trumps their liberalism.
http://www.rawstory.com/2014/07/get-tested-are-you-a-pep-progressive-except-on-palestine/
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)liberal or supports LGBT and women's rights but also supports/defends anything Israel does
King_David
(14,851 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that's fine too, but here are 2 examples of meaning that most people know
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=106258
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=106255
and besides this earth shattering debate is serving to keep your thread kicked right
King_David
(14,851 posts)But I cant possibly take credit for it.
I'm a simple DU contributor.
Or Progressive Except for Palestine is when some people who call themselves Progressive but somehow turn a blind eye to the very right wing homophobic and mysogenistic culture in Palestine, Gaza and the West Bank and some such as Greta Berlin even actively supporting extremist right wing Palestinian government such as Hamas.
That's what PEP is.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)American PEPs (Progressives except for Palestine) Facilitate Israeli War Crimes
he perennial foreign policy question that is Israel bubbled up for many New Yorkers recently following remarks made by the citys new mayor, Bill De Blasio, at a meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the notoriously powerful pro-Israel lobby group.
"City Hall will always be open to AIPAC, said Mayor De Blasio, in what he thought were private remarks. When you need me to stand by you, in Washington or anywhere, I will answer the call, and I'll answer it happily, 'cause that's my job."
http://www.rawstory.com/2014/07/get-tested-are-you-a-pep-progressive-except-on-palestine/
King_David
(14,851 posts)I explained what PEP means.
And it's not a "word " as you call it, it's an acronym.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)well except what PEP actually means that is
King_David
(14,851 posts)King_David
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On Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:39 AM an alert was sent on the following post:
PEP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=106254
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Openly creating disinformation to deceive DUers that are unaware of a definition. Lying. Period.
One is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. Disgraceful.
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Explanation: I would call HAMAs right wing. In fact, I would call them Nazi, and everything that goes with it. They make Pat Robertson look progressive and tolerant. My problem are those who attack Israel, but look at the other way when it comes to Palestinian human rights abuses, totalitarianism, and Hamas' war crimes.
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LOL
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)oh I saw your posts about an alert, you seemed to point a finger but who at, can you be very clear on that? Now don't be shy and see I kicked your thread for again
In these movements, the struggle for justice in Palestine was practically synonymous with progressive-left ideology. Despite almost universal left-wing convention, the idea of being progressive or socialist in Israel didnt always encompass the plight of the Palestinians.
I later encountered another way of looking at the same phenomenon from another perspective: Progressive Except on Palestine (PEP).
PEP is typically attributed to those who share broad leftist values such as equality, justice and fairness across a host of common issues yet, for one reason or another, these values are unable to find expression in terms of justice for the Palestinians.
The whole thing seemed irrational to me, no matter how I looked at it.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-progressives-except-on-palestine-phenomenon,6365
King_David
(14,851 posts)The style is clear though
I can't point a finger at who because it was a ridiculous absurd immature nonsensical alert that failed 0 to 7.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Imagine somebody wasn't happy with the definition of the PEP acronym...
LOL
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)If he's against BDS, surely he must have an opinion about the settlements. Is he for or against the settlements? Even if he then hypothetically was against the settlements, would that somehow have something to do with his resistance to BDS?
Perhaps this guy is just a pro-Israel hypocrite who pretends to be about co-existence, but is actually a supporter of the settlements...
6chars
(3,967 posts)It seems like the mayor believes in pushing Israel toward reaching an agreement with the Palestinians, but that he thinks the situation is complex and that boycotting won't move the situation forward and he is there to encourage support of LGBT people. But maybe I am reading too much into his comments.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Happy to kick this thread.