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King_David

(14,851 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 04:59 PM Jun 2015

Seattle's gay mayor rejects calls to boycott Israel, listens to LGBT Palestinian students

Rejecting calls to cancel visit, Ed Murray participated in Tel Aviv's Gay Pride Parade; 'I encourage any country that supports LGBT people,' he tells Haaretz.
Despite vocal efforts by supporters of the movement to boycott Israel, Seattle Mayor Ed Murray joined tens of thousands of people in Tel Aviv's annual Gay Pride Parade on Friday.

Murray, 60, is openly gay and has spent the past two weeks in Israel with his spouse, Michael Shiosaki. He also participated in an international conference organized by the local LGBT community and met with senior Israeli and Palestinian officials.

In an interview with Haaretz, Murray expressed his objection to the boycott movement, saying it would not lead to the resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. He further rejected claims Israel is "pinkwashing" the oppression of the Palestinians and occupation by touting the rights enjoyed by homosexuals in Israel.

"The boycott movement is made up of various people in the United States. A whole bunch of young people who just really care about justice, and others who I'm not sure what their motivation is. I worry that they're not just anti-Israel but maybe more," Murray said. "There were letters that were written to me by very mainstream people, who I know support the State of Israel, but believe that there should be a boycott. There were protests downtown and at my office. I believe that the situation is very complex. It's one that I wanted to understand. I wish that people who are boycotting would actually come here, go to the West Bank like I went to the West Bank, talk to people here in Israel as well."

This is Murray's first visit to Israel and the Palestinian Authority, and according to the mayor, he never had any intention of canceling his visit.

"We initially made the decision almost a year ago to accept this invitation, to speak at the pride conference. Any country that is supportive of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people is a country I want to keep encouraging them to do that. The battle in Israel is not over for LGBT people, and anything I can do to encourage that, I'm going to do it."

Murray says he rejects any form of boycott against Israel: "Given the complexity of the situation, from the Palestinian side and the Israeli side, I don't think that boycott is going to move the situation forward. We're dealing with a very different reality than we know in the United States, a very different reality than other parts of the world. I think we should continue to put pressure on Israel, to come to some sort of agreement with the Palestinians, but I don't think a boycott is going to get us there. If anything, I would invite Americans to come here, spend time with Israelis, spend time with Palestinians.



http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.660989

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Seattle's gay mayor rejects calls to boycott Israel, listens to LGBT Palestinian students (Original Post) King_David Jun 2015 OP
Shame Scootaloo Jun 2015 #1
Your mayor reminds me of somebody else ..... Israeli Jun 2015 #7
Except I think Murray ultimately means well... Scootaloo Jun 2015 #9
I'm sure he meant well Scoot ... Israeli Jun 2015 #24
You're thinking that's an accurate site to post here on DU ? King_David Jun 2015 #26
Really King_David Jun 2015 #11
That's your blog ? King_David Jun 2015 #33
Good! grossproffit Jun 2015 #2
Very King_David Jun 2015 #22
He doesn't seem to have an opinion at all on the reason for BDS: Apartheid in the West Bank. Little Tich Jun 2015 #3
Umm King_David Jun 2015 #4
Yes by all means Google PEP (progressive except Palestine) azurnoir Jun 2015 #5
This is very confusing. I need a bigger brain... n/t Little Tich Jun 2015 #10
maybe it's an Americanism but PEP essentially means azurnoir Jun 2015 #14
It's not an "Americanism" it's a simple acronym King_David Jun 2015 #17
well Google explains it differently but if you wish to believe only what you seem to make up azurnoir Jun 2015 #18
The acronym was made up , sure King_David Jun 2015 #19
PEP King_David Jun 2015 #12
still trying to take back a word eh? well the intertubes aren't cooperating azurnoir Jun 2015 #13
Nothing to take back King_David Jun 2015 #15
oh okay trying to take back an acronym then yep changes everything azurnoir Jun 2015 #16
Kick King_David Jun 2015 #27
Such a busy Alerter , the style is unmistakable: King_David Jun 2015 #28
trying to redefine an acronym to fit your needs? well here's the real defination of PEP 3rd link azurnoir Jun 2015 #30
Wasn't you King_David Jun 2015 #31
There was a ridiculous alert on my post King_David Jun 2015 #29
But isn't that a separate issue? Little Tich Jun 2015 #6
Not how I read the article 6chars Jun 2015 #20
I think that's accurate King_David Jun 2015 #21
So we could say you're constantly running a PEP-rally, eh Dave? n/t Scootaloo Jun 2015 #8
Kick King_David Jun 2015 #23
Good for Mayor Murray leftynyc Jun 2015 #25
+1 King_David Jun 2015 #32
Kick King_David Jun 2015 #34

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
7. Your mayor reminds me of somebody else .....
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 02:29 AM
Jun 2015
.

BTW your mayor is also Richard Silverstein's ......from his blog :

The following is an op-ed written by Yediot Achronot reporter, Shai Zamir. To my knowledge, it has not appeared in the paper’s online edition, nor in the Ynet English edition. It’s important enough to the debate raging about pinkwashing that I wanted it to be accessible to English readers. It’s a critique of gay pride Israel-style as a facade behind which Israeli racism and intolerance flourish:........

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/06/14/israeli-pride-as-pinkwashing/
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
9. Except I think Murray ultimately means well...
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 02:36 AM
Jun 2015

I think there's a general sort of cluelessness paired with the duck-and-cover necessities of American politics.

It's still sad, though. Maybe he could have a talk with congressman McDermott.

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
24. I'm sure he meant well Scoot ...
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:51 AM
Jun 2015

and " cluelessness " for sure ....complete ignorance on some aspects.. which is the norm for most American politicians .

Saddest part is that he was bought and paid for ...and used by Bibi and Co.

ref: http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/06/15/seattle-mayor-murrays-pinkwash-adventure-continues/

plus : http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2015/06/07/israeli-foreign-ministry-subsidizes-seattle-mayors-vacation-in-arab-middle-east/

Mayor Murray’s trip to Israel is being funded by the Israeli foreign ministry. They are paying for his airfare, meals and hotel accommodations. They aren’t doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. They aren’t doing this because the Israeli government is a champion of gay rights. They’re doing this because Ed Murray is a hasbara asset. The first gay mayor of a major American city comes to Israel to endorse its stellar record as a gay rights mecca. It changes the media narrative of BDS, Occupation, and endless war. You can’t buy this sort of publicity.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
3. He doesn't seem to have an opinion at all on the reason for BDS: Apartheid in the West Bank.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:11 PM
Jun 2015

By purposefully ignoring the elephant in the room, he looks like an apartheid supporter who's just trying to deflect from the real issue.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
4. Umm
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jun 2015

No

He is just a real progressive, recognizes how progressive Israel is with LGBT rights compared to her neighbors and is not a
PEP ( progressive except for Palestine - Google it)

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. Yes by all means Google PEP (progressive except Palestine)
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jun 2015

yesterday, I wrote about the phenomenon of PEP (Progressive Except on Palestine) a condition, in which victims are liberal on every issue except the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Some PEPs diagnose themselves with the syndrome, openly embrace it and identify as PEP-Positive. These PEPs will declare with pride that they line up ideologically with liberals except for when it comes to supporting the government of Israel. Some of them will claim that supporting Israeli policy is a liberal position and that their stance is consistent with liberal values. So, they are aware that they disagree with liberals but see their fellow liberals as not understanding that unquestioning support for Israeli policy is a liberal value. They would accuse others of being PEI, Progressive Except on Israel. The other population of self-diagnosing PEPs are those who say they are liberal almost always but that their Zionism is the one thing that trumps their liberalism.

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/07/get-tested-are-you-a-pep-progressive-except-on-palestine/

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. maybe it's an Americanism but PEP essentially means
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:34 AM
Jun 2015

liberal or supports LGBT and women's rights but also supports/defends anything Israel does

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
18. well Google explains it differently but if you wish to believe only what you seem to make up
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:02 AM
Jun 2015

that's fine too, but here are 2 examples of meaning that most people know

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=106258

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=106255

and besides this earth shattering debate is serving to keep your thread kicked right

King_David

(14,851 posts)
19. The acronym was made up , sure
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jun 2015

But I cant possibly take credit for it.

I'm a simple DU contributor.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
12. PEP
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:11 AM
Jun 2015

Or Progressive Except for Palestine is when some people who call themselves Progressive but somehow turn a blind eye to the very right wing homophobic and mysogenistic culture in Palestine, Gaza and the West Bank and some such as Greta Berlin even actively supporting extremist right wing Palestinian government such as Hamas.

That's what PEP is.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
13. still trying to take back a word eh? well the intertubes aren't cooperating
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:30 AM
Jun 2015
WORLD
American PEPs (Progressives except for Palestine) Facilitate Israeli War Crimes

he perennial foreign policy question that is Israel bubbled up for many New Yorkers recently following remarks made by the city’s new mayor, Bill De Blasio, at a meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the notoriously powerful pro-Israel lobby group.

"City Hall will always be open to AIPAC,” said Mayor De Blasio, in what he thought were private remarks. “When you need me to stand by you, in Washington or anywhere, I will answer the call, and I'll answer it happily, 'cause that's my job."


http://www.rawstory.com/2014/07/get-tested-are-you-a-pep-progressive-except-on-palestine/

King_David

(14,851 posts)
15. Nothing to take back
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:40 AM
Jun 2015

I explained what PEP means.

And it's not a "word " as you call it, it's an acronym.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. oh okay trying to take back an acronym then yep changes everything
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 07:50 AM
Jun 2015

well except what PEP actually means that is

King_David

(14,851 posts)
28. Such a busy Alerter , the style is unmistakable:
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jun 2015


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On Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:39 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

PEP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=106254

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Openly creating disinformation to deceive DUers that are unaware of a definition. Lying. Period.

One is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. Disgraceful.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:50 AM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's a fair point.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Then that is what a post is for not an alert.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I would call HAMAs right wing. In fact, I would call them Nazi, and everything that goes with it. They make Pat Robertson look progressive and tolerant. My problem are those who attack Israel, but look at the other way when it comes to Palestinian human rights abuses, totalitarianism, and Hamas' war crimes.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see the problem.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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7 to 0

LOL

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
30. trying to redefine an acronym to fit your needs? well here's the real defination of PEP 3rd link
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jun 2015

oh I saw your posts about an alert, you seemed to point a finger but who at, can you be very clear on that? Now don't be shy and see I kicked your thread for again

My initial confusion at what seemed to me like a kind of ‘political schizophrenia’ stemmed from my experience with progressive left movements in Australia and also within Israel itself.

In these movements, the struggle for justice in Palestine was practically synonymous with progressive-left ideology. Despite almost universal left-wing convention, the idea of being progressive or socialist in Israel didn’t always encompass the plight of the Palestinians.

I later encountered another way of looking at the same phenomenon from another perspective: Progressive Except on Palestine (PEP).

PEP is typically attributed to those who share broad leftist values – such as equality, justice and fairness across a host of common issues – yet, for one reason or another, these values are unable to find expression in terms of justice for the Palestinians.

The whole thing seemed irrational to me, no matter how I looked at it.


https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-progressives-except-on-palestine-phenomenon,6365

King_David

(14,851 posts)
31. Wasn't you
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:05 PM
Jun 2015

The style is clear though

I can't point a finger at who because it was a ridiculous absurd immature nonsensical alert that failed 0 to 7.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
29. There was a ridiculous alert on my post
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jun 2015

Imagine somebody wasn't happy with the definition of the PEP acronym...

LOL

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
6. But isn't that a separate issue?
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 01:44 AM
Jun 2015

If he's against BDS, surely he must have an opinion about the settlements. Is he for or against the settlements? Even if he then hypothetically was against the settlements, would that somehow have something to do with his resistance to BDS?

Perhaps this guy is just a pro-Israel hypocrite who pretends to be about co-existence, but is actually a supporter of the settlements...

6chars

(3,967 posts)
20. Not how I read the article
Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jun 2015

It seems like the mayor believes in pushing Israel toward reaching an agreement with the Palestinians, but that he thinks the situation is complex and that boycotting won't move the situation forward and he is there to encourage support of LGBT people. But maybe I am reading too much into his comments.

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