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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:54 AM Jun 2015

Why Obama is wrong about Iran being 'rational' on nukes (Oren)

"The fact that you are anti-Semitic, or racist, doesn't preclude you from being interested in survival,” President Obama said last month in an interview with Jeffrey Goldberg in the Atlantic. “The fact that the supreme leader is anti-Semitic doesn't mean that this overrides all of his other considerations.”

The question of whether Iran, run by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei and his ayatollahs, is a rational state goes to the very heart of the debate over its nuclear program and the negotiations, now nearing a June 30 deadline, to curb it.

Simply put: Those in the “rational” camp see a regime that wants to remain in power and achieve regional hegemony and will therefore cooperate, rather than languish under international sanctions that threaten to deny it both. The other side cannot accept that religious fanatics who deny the Holocaust, blame all evil on the Jews and pledge to annihilate the 6 million of them in Israel can be trusted with a nuclear program capable of producing the world's most destructive weapon in a single year.

The rational/irrational dispute was ever-present in the intimate discussions between the United States and Israel on the Iranian nuclear issue during my term as Israel's ambassador to Washington, from 2009 to the end of 2013. I took part in those talks and was impressed by their candor. Experts assessed the progress in Iran's program: the growing number of centrifuges in its expanding underground facilities, the rising stockpile of enriched uranium that could be used in not one but several bombs, and the time that would be required for Iran to “break out” or “sneak out” from international inspectors and become a nuclear power.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-oren-iran-is-not-a-rational-state-20150619-story.html

Oren's book must be a real turkey.

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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. Fear and Dread in the Middle East
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jun 2015

A different view from 2008:

This state of affairs is probably unique in history. Hence, we have no precedents offering clues as
to how it could turn out otherwise. Nor does the past provide much guidance for either the United
States or those leaders who live in its shadow. Interestingly, the one exception may be Iran.
Teheran's leadership is disparate. That is evidentin its tactics and rhetoric. At the strategic plane,
however, there is a discernible logic and coherence.

Iran's goals are clear:

1. Establish and maintain a strong position in the Persian Gulf while aiming to acquire an effective veto over what other powers do;

2. Keep open the nuclear option:

3. As an adjunct, maximize influence farther afield in the Islamic world via reputation, sustenance to Shi'ite movements and a well modulated , existential threat;

4. Use an active diplomacy to bring into play others powers whose own self-interests somehow converge with yours, e.g. the European Union, Russia,China, India, Pakistan;

5. Accumulate an array of cards that can be played to forestall an American/Israeli military
campaign against you, e.g. oil, links to all Shi'ite factions in Iraq, inspiring yet cautious
godfather to Shi'ites in the Gulf, capacity for being a spoiler in Afghanistan; and

6. Stay patient, a new administration in Washington could change the complexion of the game markedly.

It is an elaborate strategy that Iran has pursued skillfully despite the liability represented by the vituperative, disreputable President Ahmedi-nejad. Teheran has been ruthless: sacrificing Moqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi movement so as to deny the Americans an excuse to attack, and so as to keep leverage with the Maliki/Hakim government at a time when the truly critical issue is the terms of a U.S.-Iraqi security treaty. Teheran has been ingenious: in its prolonged dance of the seven veils that keeps the IAEA and the Europeans hopeful while assiduously avoiding any concession that could cripple its nuclear program. Teheran has been pragmatic: in cultivating Sunni regimes in an attempt to forestall their becoming implacable enemies and proponents of air strikes. Teheran, above all, has kept its nerve rather than yield to fear and dread.

Iran's impressive tightrope act has lessons for others. This praise is for Teheran's deft and steadfast diplomacy, not for its clerical regime and ambitions.


http://calhoun.nps.edu/bitstream/handle/10945/11119/brennerJul08.pdf?sequence=1

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. Oren: Obama may reach out to Islam because 2 Muslim father figures abandoned him
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jun 2015

In third op-ed in a week, ex-envoy and new MK says history may judge president’s policy on Islam as naive, detached from reality

http://www.timesofisrael.com/oren-obama-reaches-out-to-islam-because-2-muslim-father-figures-abandoned-him/

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
3. I wonder if Oren has any idea what a fucking racist he is.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:00 PM
Jun 2015

How much further he'll go to keep Obama off of Israel is open to wonder about.



bemildred

(90,061 posts)
4. He doesn't sound like he has a clue.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jun 2015

He has a history of speaking too candidly, you might say. This is not the first time. If anybody is naive it is he. And for a diplomat to have such cultural blinders is not a good thing.

Starting in the first one he was talking about the need to patch things up with the US, which fits in with Bibi's Autumn initiative we were talking about. But then he goes on about Obama and Iran, with this intrusive twaddle, oh my.

It may be he just wants to sell books though, and doesn't care otherwise.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. I know never assume malice when...... but I tend to think clods like this
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jun 2015

depend on their audience being naive or willing believers

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
6. Bibi has his back too, so I tend to think Oren feels this is a strategy. Interesting
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:34 PM
Jun 2015

audience he is aiming for with that book.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. Or how mainstream such racism is in Israel.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:54 PM
Jun 2015

Orly Taitz would be considers center-right over there--somewhere between Bibi and Lieberman.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
8. But the entire Democratic party supports Israeli policy..so what's the problem....
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:50 PM
Jun 2015

that's the airbag they use as a line of defense.

Have you read any of Oren's excerpts? They're a trip.






Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
9. I don't think Oren should reveal all the contents of his new book if he wants people to buy it.
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 11:55 PM
Jun 2015

The impression I get is that the book actually contains less insights and inside information than is normal when a guy of his stature spills the beans.

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