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Related: About this forumChurch leaders say BDS is moral response to Netanyahu's rejection of Palestinian statehood
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/netanyahus-rejection-palestinianOver the last day or so, three remarkable op-eds by church leaders have been published in U.S. regional newspapers in support of some measure of BDS, boycott, divestment and sanctions, to end the Israeli occupation of Palestine.
The op-eds are remarkable because they honor BDS as a tool, and two of them specifically reject the equation of BDS with anti-Semitism, a charge that cowed many non-Jewish activists in times gone by. And all three slam the rightwing Israeli government for defying international opinion or using the peace process to expand. So the churches must act, the leaders say.
All you Israel supporters who criticize BDS as a means of excusing Israel’s endless colonization need to read these op-eds. They show that the Netanyahu government has been a boon to the BDS movement, and that enlightened Americans are watching developments in Palestine closely.
The op-eds. First, the Episcopal church is meeting this weekend in Salt Lake City. And here is Newland Smith, Senior Deputy to General Convention from the Diocese of Chicago in the Salt Lake Tribune, arguing that the church’s earlier posture of constructive engagement has failed: the Israeli government has “explicitly rejected the two-state solution,” and uses the cover of peace talks to gobble up more land.
The op-eds are remarkable because they honor BDS as a tool, and two of them specifically reject the equation of BDS with anti-Semitism, a charge that cowed many non-Jewish activists in times gone by. And all three slam the rightwing Israeli government for defying international opinion or using the peace process to expand. So the churches must act, the leaders say.
All you Israel supporters who criticize BDS as a means of excusing Israel’s endless colonization need to read these op-eds. They show that the Netanyahu government has been a boon to the BDS movement, and that enlightened Americans are watching developments in Palestine closely.
The op-eds. First, the Episcopal church is meeting this weekend in Salt Lake City. And here is Newland Smith, Senior Deputy to General Convention from the Diocese of Chicago in the Salt Lake Tribune, arguing that the church’s earlier posture of constructive engagement has failed: the Israeli government has “explicitly rejected the two-state solution,” and uses the cover of peace talks to gobble up more land.
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Church leaders say BDS is moral response to Netanyahu's rejection of Palestinian statehood (Original Post)
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jun 2015
OP
Phillip Weiss is Jewish so perhaps he can seee things you are too uncomfortable with to admit?
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jun 2015
#6
What do u think about Gilad Atzmon? Is he a good truth-teller in your opinion? n/t
shira
Jun 2015
#11
And as usual I have to point out to the non-hasbarist DUers reading this...
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jun 2015
#7
Solution: Find better anti-racist sources so we can discuss the actual issues. n/t
shira
Jun 2015
#9
1. The author used the term Jews. You use that term all the time as well.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jun 2015
#13
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, shira. You are so predictable. Not able to defend your postion
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jun 2015
#15
oberliner
(58,724 posts)1. "These church leaders are putting pressure on Jews."
It's always about Jews with Philip Weiss.
"I always say the Jews have to move for any change to happen."
What is that even supposed to mean?
Why is OK to post this Mondoweiss garbage here?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)2. How many times has Israel been conflated with Jews on I/P ?????!!!!!
How many times has Israel been coined the Jewish State by amateur explainers????!!!!
Tell me that.
You guys want to own it then own it. Don't whine about it.
shira
(30,109 posts)4. No deflections RDO. Phil Weiss is criticizing the Jews once again...
I always say the Jews have to move for any change to happen. These church leaders are putting pressure on Jews. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/netanyahus-rejection-palestinian#sthash.EboCPBd2.dpuf
As usual, you can't defend this garbage so you go into deflect mode, and then to top it off you'll keep posting crap like this.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)6. Phillip Weiss is Jewish so perhaps he can seee things you are too uncomfortable with to admit?
shira
(30,109 posts)8. So is Gilad Atzmon, who is a neo-Nazi. That's no excuse. n/t
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)10. Or perhaps your views are so narrow that they constitute a joke?
You disagree with pretty much every crappy thing that Israel does or has done in the name of expansion, illegal colonization and apartheid.
Times are changing in the US, shira, and people the world over are fucking tired of supporting the farce of Israeli Democracy for the few.
Israel is going to find itself with fewer friends over the shit that it pulls.
Own it.
Oh, and as always, thanks for the kick.
shira
(30,109 posts)11. What do u think about Gilad Atzmon? Is he a good truth-teller in your opinion? n/t
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)12. What do you think about the OP my deflecting friend?
shira
(30,109 posts)16. That's like asking me what do I think about a Gilad Atzmon article....
He's a Jew hater & I couldn't care less what he writes.
But I noticed you deflected rather than answering the question.
Is Gilad Atzmon a truth-teller in your opinion?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)17. No, my deflecting friend. I was asking you about the OP.
Over the last day or so, three remarkable op-eds by church leaders have been published in U.S. regional newspapers in support of some measure of BDS, boycott, divestment and sanctions, to end the Israeli occupation of Palestine.
The op-eds are remarkable because they honor BDS as a tool, and two of them specifically reject the equation of BDS with anti-Semitism, a charge that cowed many non-Jewish activists in times gone by. And all three slam the rightwing Israeli government for defying international opinion or using the peace process to expand. So the churches must act, the leaders say.
All you Israel supporters who criticize BDS as a means of excusing Israel’s endless colonization need to read these op-eds. They show that the Netanyahu government has been a boon to the BDS movement, and that enlightened Americans are watching developments in Palestine closely.
The op-eds. First, the Episcopal church is meeting this weekend in Salt Lake City. And here is Newland Smith, Senior Deputy to General Convention from the Diocese of Chicago in the Salt Lake Tribune, arguing that the church’s earlier posture of constructive engagement has failed: the Israeli government has “explicitly rejected the two-state solution,” and uses the cover of peace talks to gobble up more land.
The op-eds are remarkable because they honor BDS as a tool, and two of them specifically reject the equation of BDS with anti-Semitism, a charge that cowed many non-Jewish activists in times gone by. And all three slam the rightwing Israeli government for defying international opinion or using the peace process to expand. So the churches must act, the leaders say.
All you Israel supporters who criticize BDS as a means of excusing Israel’s endless colonization need to read these op-eds. They show that the Netanyahu government has been a boon to the BDS movement, and that enlightened Americans are watching developments in Palestine closely.
The op-eds. First, the Episcopal church is meeting this weekend in Salt Lake City. And here is Newland Smith, Senior Deputy to General Convention from the Diocese of Chicago in the Salt Lake Tribune, arguing that the church’s earlier posture of constructive engagement has failed: the Israeli government has “explicitly rejected the two-state solution,” and uses the cover of peace talks to gobble up more land.
Do you care to discuss this, or are you going to run and hide under a pile of excuses?
shira
(30,109 posts)18. So Gilad Atzmon is a truth-teller whose bigotry is no big deal in your opinion?
As to the article, it promotes the vile BDS movement.
BDS opposes Zionism (the Jewish civil rights movement) and therefore seeks the destruction of the Jewish state of Israel.
This is a fact you won't even try to deny.
Therefore, the article is garbage when it tries to justify the Church seeking the end of Israel (which would imperil Jewish people worldwide). The same Church responsible for centuries of pogroms, inquisitions, and crusades against the Jews.
Fail.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)21. So you chose to hide under your pile if excuses then.
Duly noted.
Agreed , it should not be okay to post it here....
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)3. K & R for Palestine
I know nothing of the source , what matters to me is the op-eds in support of actions to get a two-state solution. It will help the terrorist problems (though getting U.S. out of the M.E. entirely is what would really help the terrorist problem) and it's the right thing to do.
Any idea what Bernie's position on this is?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)7. And as usual I have to point out to the non-hasbarist DUers reading this...
Every time that there is press about the BDS movement, new about disinvestment from Israel unrelated to BDS or examples of apartheid regime Israelis doing bad things to Palestinians and others the amateur hasbrarists come out and cry about the usage of certain words instead of discussing the article.
shira
(30,109 posts)9. Solution: Find better anti-racist sources so we can discuss the actual issues. n/t
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)13. 1. The author used the term Jews. You use that term all the time as well.
You conflate Jew with Israel all the time. Tell me I'm wrong, and I will source every post where you have done that.
And the problem is not that I have to find somebody that you approve of. The problem is that you have to stop being disingenuous WRT Israel apartheid.
Other Jews have done that and I'd wager that they are considered anti-Semites for it by the screamers.
So do you want to discuss the OP or show DUers how much of a disruptor you really are?
shira
(30,109 posts)19. So you're denying Weiss' use of Jews in the OP is problematic?
And I addressed the OP in #18 with an article obliterating its main points.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)23. Try not answering with cut and paste hasbara bullshit.
Try answering with something original and not somebody elses' opunion.
I bet you can't. 
What you post us somebody elses' weak sauce.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)15. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, shira. You are so predictable. Not able to defend your postion
against the OP?
Weak!
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)14. The world is catching on...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/26/us-vatican-palestinians-idUSKBN0P618120150626
The Vatican signed its first treaty with the "State of Palestine" on Friday, calling for "courageous decisions" to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and backing a two-state solution.
The treaty, which made official the Vatican's de facto recognition of Palestine since 2012, angered Israel, which called it "a hasty step (that) damages the prospects for advancing a peace agreement".
*Israel also said it could have implications on its future diplomatic relations with the Vatican.
The accord, which concerns the Catholic Church's activities in areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority, also confirmed the Vatican's increasingly proactive role in foreign policy under Pope Francis. Last year, it brokered the historic resumption of ties between the United States and Cuba.
The Vatican signed its first treaty with the "State of Palestine" on Friday, calling for "courageous decisions" to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and backing a two-state solution.
The treaty, which made official the Vatican's de facto recognition of Palestine since 2012, angered Israel, which called it "a hasty step (that) damages the prospects for advancing a peace agreement".
*Israel also said it could have implications on its future diplomatic relations with the Vatican.
The accord, which concerns the Catholic Church's activities in areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority, also confirmed the Vatican's increasingly proactive role in foreign policy under Pope Francis. Last year, it brokered the historic resumption of ties between the United States and Cuba.
*Fuck the Israeli PM, his right wing government and the apartheid machine they have created.
shira
(30,109 posts)20. The reason this is problematic is b/c the PA & Hamas are still at war with Israel....
Once they declare an end to the war and recognize the Jewish state of Israel, then the Vatican can do whatever it wants.
As it is, they're siding with an organization dedicated to war against the Jewish state.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)22. The PLO already recognized Israel, but hasbara central
keeps on moving the goalposts.
So to hell with Israel.
The endgame is coming.
