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Israeli

(4,159 posts)
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:00 AM Jul 2015

U.S. State Department: We won’t protect Israeli settlements against boycott

Congressional efforts to extend anti-BDS fight to occupied territories show pro-Israel lobby the perils of biting off more than one can chew.

By Chemi Shalev

The U.S. State Department on Tuesday punched a big hole in Israel-led efforts to induce the Obama administration to regard boycotts of settlements as identical to boycott of Israel proper. In doing so, it provided the Israeli government and the pro-Israel lobby with yet another painful lesson in the pitfalls of being too clever by half and biting off more than one should chew.

A special statement issued by the State Department Press Office on Tuesday afternoon made clear that while the administration “strongly opposes” any boycott, divestment or sanctions against the State of Israel, it does not extend the same protection to “Israel-controlled territories.” Rather than weakening efforts to boycott Jewish settlements in the occupied territories, as Israel supporters had planned, the State Department was actually granting them unprecedented legitimacy.

The statement came in the wake of President Obama’s signing of the Trade Promotion Authority bill, which grants him the authority he had sought to conclude the Trans-Pacific Partnership accord. But as the bill deals with free trade agreements in general, a clause was inserted in the Senate by Democratic Senator Ben Cardin and Republican Senator Rob Portman and by Representative Peter Roskam in the House of Representative that instructs American diplomats to include opposition to any boycott of Israel - or of persons from “territories controlled by Israel” - in their free trade negotiations with the European Union.

The State Department statement, however, makes clear that the bill will not change U.S. policy towards the settlements. “The U.S. government has never defended or supported Israeli settlements or activity associated with them, and, by extension, does not pursue policies or activities that would legitimize them,” it said. It went on to note: “Administrations of both parties have long recognized that settlement activity and efforts to change facts on the ground undermine the goal of a two-state solution.”

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.663831
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U.S. State Department: We won’t protect Israeli settlements against boycott (Original Post) Israeli Jul 2015 OP
further...... Israeli Jul 2015 #1
Thank you I am glad our state department took this stand azurnoir Jul 2015 #2
Good. Now I can continue buying blue and white. n/t Little Tich Jul 2015 #3
The President doesn't have to leftynyc Jul 2015 #4
yep just like the birth certificate issue huh? Congress really took care of that too azurnoir Jul 2015 #5
BDS is about money leftynyc Jul 2015 #13
what birth certificate? apparently you didn't read comment #1 its mentioned there azurnoir Jul 2015 #15
I can only shake my head leftynyc Jul 2015 #17
Congress does not dictate foreign policy but do keep telling yourself that azurnoir Jul 2015 #19
Who controls the wallet? leftynyc Jul 2015 #21
None of that even relates to the State Departments stance here azurnoir Jul 2015 #22
You missed the point. The law mandates that the US lobby against BDS efforts geek tragedy Jul 2015 #6
While the Fed. gov't may be okay with boycotts of settlements... shira Jul 2015 #7
How will states dictate to the State Department? or are you depending on ShuratHaDin ? azurnoir Jul 2015 #8
Who's going to enforce this law one way or the other? Not the Feds. n/t shira Jul 2015 #9
Got news the State Department handles foreign policy and State Department does not mean individual azurnoir Jul 2015 #10
will ShuratHaDin sue the US State Department? That is what it will come down to azurnoir Jul 2015 #11
It does seem leftynyc Jul 2015 #14
and what is the Republican controlled Congress going to do here defund the State department? azurnoir Jul 2015 #16
LOL - they don't have to defund leftynyc Jul 2015 #18
But what can Congress do will the purse strings here? Not much azurnoir Jul 2015 #20
The settlements are not part of Israel...... Israeli Jul 2015 #12

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
1. further......
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 12:01 AM
Jul 2015

The defiant rebuff of the Congressional bill comes in the wake of the recent Supreme Court decision regarding Menachem Zivotofsky that rebuffed Congressional attempts to force the administration to record “Israel” next to his city of birth “Jerusalem.” The State Department statement says, in effect, that a bill on trade authority cannot force the administration to change its longstanding policy towards Israeli settlements in the occupied territories. And just as the Zivotofsky decision weakened Israel’s hold on Jerusalem, the boycott decision only delegitimizes the settlements more than ever before.

Thus, the effort to strengthen the settlements, supported by AIPAC and other mainstream and right-wing groups and opposed by J-Street and organizations on the left, actually ends up weakening them. The attempt to blot out the differences between a boycott of Israel and of the territories actually highlights them. The boycott of settlements, in effect, has now been officially stamped “kosher” by the State Department.


Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.663831

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. The President doesn't have to
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 09:07 AM
Jul 2015

Congress already took care of it for him. There will be no US government boycott of anything in Israel or the settlements so this statement is totally toothless.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. yep just like the birth certificate issue huh? Congress really took care of that too
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jul 2015

sorry Congress doesn't dictate foreign policy

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
13. BDS is about money
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:18 AM
Jul 2015

and congress most certainly DOES take care of that and while you continue to ignore it, the vast majority of Americans STILL support Israel and will never take the Palestinian side - even when they think Israel goes too far. And I have no idea what birth certificate situation you're talking about. Your delusion about Americans being on your side only hurts you in that it, in no way, reflects the reality.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
15. what birth certificate? apparently you didn't read comment #1 its mentioned there
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:34 AM
Jul 2015

The defiant rebuff of the Congressional bill comes in the wake of the recent Supreme Court decision regarding Menachem Zivotofsky that rebuffed Congressional attempts to force the administration to record “Israel” next to his city of birth “Jerusalem.” The State Department statement says, in effect, that a bill on trade authority cannot force the administration to change its longstanding policy towards Israeli settlements in the occupied territories. And just as the Zivotofsky decision weakened Israel’s hold on Jerusalem, the boycott decision only delegitimizes the settlements more than ever before.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=107904

what will Congress do exactly how will it over ride the State Departments explicitly stated policy?

will it defund the State Department over Israeli settlements? really the rest of your post addresses exactly zero of what was said in my comment, I have no delusions about Americans but I also trust the State Deparments policies in this and they have presidence here

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
17. I can only shake my head
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:44 AM
Jul 2015

and smile at the thought this supreme court decision weakens Israel's hold on Jerusalem. Let me ask you something - can you remember the last time - really any time - that the State Department was able to overrule Congress in matters of foreign policy - especially when it comes to finances? I admire your tenacity if not your hold on reality.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. Congress does not dictate foreign policy but do keep telling yourself that
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jul 2015

odd that you'd seem so insistent that Republican controlled House and Senate (Congress) will be able to over rule a Democratic POTUS and State department

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
21. Who controls the wallet?
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 05:44 AM
Jul 2015

That's who controls foreign policy. Has even one elected US official brought forward a bill to:

stop, hold up or even lessen aid to Israel?

stop weapons (including Iron Dome) from being sent without qualification?

The State Department can whine all it wants about whatever it wants - they quite simply have no control and the President has not even come forward to suggest either of the two things that I used above. The settlement issue in terms of BDS in the US is irrelevant. Most US citizens aren't going to look at labels to see where in Israel stuff is made. It's like those who only buy "made in the U.S.A" products. A really lovely idea and some people are passionate about it, but has it lessened our imports even one dollar? The answer is no.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
22. None of that even relates to the State Departments stance here
Fri Jul 3, 2015, 06:09 AM
Jul 2015

that's why we have this little thingy called "separation of powers" , the State Department runs on around 1% of the budget, money isn't going to do much here

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. You missed the point. The law mandates that the US lobby against BDS efforts
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jul 2015

by European entities as part of trade agreements.

But, the State Department essentially said "we will do that for goods made in Israel, but not for the occupied territories, since those are not part of Israel."

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
7. While the Fed. gov't may be okay with boycotts of settlements...
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 05:14 PM
Jul 2015

....they don't enforce the law.

Enforcing the law will take place in the courts & state level where boycotts of settlements won't be okay. This is now a law and at the state level, courts cannot just annul laws that the POTUS signed onto. Besides, the 1970 anti-boycott acts and this FTA law apply to the settlements as well as Israel proper.

J-Street knows this. That's why they were against the bill before it became law (worried about BDS conflating settlements with Israel). J-Street is for boycotting settlements. They're not going to do cartwheels due to this message from the State Dept.

In plain words, this bill is still bad for BDS'ers, as well as those wanting to boycott settlements.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. How will states dictate to the State Department? or are you depending on ShuratHaDin ?
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 05:22 PM
Jul 2015

and courts you mean like the birth certificate issue ya bring it on all the way to the SCOTUS

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
10. Got news the State Department handles foreign policy and State Department does not mean individual
Wed Jul 1, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jul 2015

states, in fact states mandating that businesses must cooperate with the settlement enterprise may well find themselves being sued

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
14. It does seem
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:21 AM
Jul 2015

that people here don't realize who actually runs the money and still think the majority of Americans agree with them - ALL evidence to the contrary. That delusion is just one of the many reasons the Palestinians don't have a state yet. Always good to see you, Shira.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. and what is the Republican controlled Congress going to do here defund the State department?
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 05:38 AM
Jul 2015

they can not do much else because they do have authority over foreign policy

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. LOL - they don't have to defund
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 07:47 AM
Jul 2015

the State Department - what a laughable concept. The State Department has no real power (and they shouldn't as they are not elected). One of these days you're going to have to accept that ONLY Congress holds the purse strings and I think they've made their position - both Democrats and Republicans - on this issue pretty clear. And really, thinking the state department has ANY power over foreign policy is laughable.

Israeli

(4,159 posts)
12. The settlements are not part of Israel......
Thu Jul 2, 2015, 12:53 AM
Jul 2015
The U.S. administration's sharp message that protection of Israel from boycott doesn't apply to the settlements should come as no surprise.

Haaretz Editorial | Jul. 2, 2015

The Trade Promotion Authority Bill signed by President Barack Obama last week includes an important clause stipulating that the United States will not trade with countries that boycott Israel.

This clause is supposed to protect Israel from an economic boycott. But the same clause, which authorizes the president to take all measures to protect trade with Israel from politically motivated acts, says the protection will apply not only to Israel but to “territories controlled by Israel.”

The law’s sponsors intended to protect products from the settlements, as though they were an inseparable part of Israel. But this attempt to blur the border between Israel and the occupied territories got a cold reception from the president. Obama made it clear that despite the wording of the legislation he signed, he does not intend to protect products made in the territories.

The United States, a State Department Press Office statement made clear on Tuesday, objected and objects to the settlement policy and has never recognized the territories as part of the State of Israel.

This policy is shared by the states of the European Union, 16 of whose foreign ministers signed a letter last April in favor of labeling products from the settlements.

The American administration’s sharp, prompt response should not come as a surprise. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made it clear he does not foresee a peace solution with the Palestinians during his term, while Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said he does not foresee one “in our generation.” The two states for two peoples formula – which the American administration supports, together with most states in the world – has been trampled and crushed by Israel’s government. In view of all this, it was necessary to underline in bold the indistinct borderline between Israel and the territories.


Israel can once again utter the wail of the “robbed Cossack,” blame Obama for abandoning Israel and even say the president supports BDS. But it should be stressed immediately that Obama does not boycott Israel and the bill he signed explicitly protects it from such actions.

But when Israel insists on annexing the settlements, it can only expect the international community to step up its policy of distinguishing between Israel and the territories.

The clear, pointed American message is not directed only at Israel’s government or the trade agreement partners. The message makes it clear to the settlers and to Israeli producers in the territories that the world markets are closing off to their goods, and that these business people had better give profound consideration to their continued investments in the settlements.


Perhaps economic reason will prevail where strategic and political reason died, and economic common sense will lay down the political milestones along the Green Line.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.664023
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