Please delete, I have already alerted.

These are people who want to raze the mosques on the temple mount, rebuild the Jewish temple there. From there, the group hopes that Jesus will be summoned to earth by the killing of this poor cow, and will subsequently wipe out all the Jews but for 44,000 virgin men.



It's relevant. Crazy sure, but relevant.

Eta christian end times theology says that almosst everyone in the world will die during the rapture so posts about that pretty much belong everywhere on DU since it affects everything. Right?

Eta2 this is one of those "look at how stupid those religious Jews are, ha ha" posts that show up on du from time to time.

And if you don't think that impacts the I/P conflict, then I dunno what to tell you man.

This kind of shit is why there are rules here about CTs.

they wish to destroy al Aqsa/ Haram al Sharif and replace it with the 3rd temple, can you even begin to imagine the result of such an act, not even Bibi wants that

Because your trying to engage me in a religious discussion.

and no I wasn't try to engage you in a religious discussion, I was pointing out something that should IMO go without saying -once again I seriously doubt these folks are representative of most religious Jews

When the moshiach comes?

show me where these Jews say the alaksah mosque must be destroyed like you claim in post 8.

the 3rdtemple is to be located on the Temple Mount/Haram al Sharif so tell us what's there now?

And nothing in the article talks about destroying mosques.

You are the one making this vicious accusation against Jews.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113489057

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113488321

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113486726

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113486507

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113484437

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113485527

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113467160

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113486416

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Cute one no doubt, but the relationship to israel, the temple mount and ip is totally and completely based on religious beliefs, not reality.

Moreover, your spreading an Islamic based conspiracy theory that rebuilding the jewish temple means that the alaksa mosque and dome of the rock will be destroyed in the process. There is enough room currently existing on the temple mount to built 10 synagogues. Further, the Israeli government will not allow Jews to build anything on the temple mount, this notion you make about destroying mosques has zero basis in reality, it's nothing more than a piss poor attempt to incite hatred against Jews.

They actually think they can force the hand of God! Amazingly Stupid, Pride goes before a fall.

Is that what this is about? It's 2015 and someone wants pretend that ritually slaughtering and burning young calves is fine because their crazy Bronze Age religion says so? No. Its not.

First, as for atavistic sacrificial practices, there's not a great shortage of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha#Traditions_and_practices
Islam isn't a bronze age religion.

To the main point, which runs like this.

The reason for no Temple and Jewish sacrifices is that the Temple was destroyed. Some believe that if it were rebuilt, sacrifices should resume. That's not possible unless the altar is consecrated; for that, they need the ashes of a red heifer. That's what the Torah says is needed.

There's no point building a temple unless there's an altar. So that makes the entire "what to do with the Temple Mount" a moot point. May as well leave the mosques there.

Given a red heifer, you could built a temple. There are people who think this is a grand idea. None are Muslims. However, every time such a story runs, there's some lunatic Muslim stories about how there's a horrible conspiracy to raze the Haram ash-Sharif on the Temple Mount and built a Jewish Temple. It's good for some hot-headed young men to go to the Temple Mount and throw stones on anybody they suspect of being a Jew. That leads to the police stopping them and the Mount being closed to all those under age 40 or 50 or even just closed for a while.

A lot of DUers point out the red heifer nonsense not just or even because of what it could entail in Jerusalem, but because it makes fundie Xians look even loonier.

I've never seen an explanation that I could follow as to why the Torah said a "red heifer," however.

Due respect to those who pointed out this is not about the IP conflict. You're probably right, but I had to comment because, as strange as this seems, they tried something like this before. A group of US Christians, I suppose the Christian Zionists you mention, tried to fill a plane with red cattle and take them to Israel. If I remember, the were pregnant red angus cows, and the birth of a red heifer was supposed to fulfill a prophecy. The Israelis were not amused, and sent the plane back to the US. That was years ago, and I guess they developed a different plan.

then perhaps you should look into the issue more

How many people believe they can facilitate the second coming with the red heifer thing? I know this is involved in the I/P conflict, but does this guy really have a following? My understanding was his only real support came from US Christians who want to help him with the second coming. I think the Israeli government keeps a pretty close eye on this sort of thing because they know it will inflame the situation to have some rabbi announcing he's going to level the mosques and rebuild the temple.

Jewish activists will try to birth red heifer, which they see as key to building third Temple in Jerusalem where mosques now stand.

By Nir Hasson 14:05 17.07.15

Some unsuspecting cow could soon become for Judaism more or less what Mary was for Christianity: A messianic mom. Or so Temple Mount devotees fervently hope.

In about a month and a half, the faithful, whose ultimate aim is to build a third Jewish Temple on the Jerusalem’s Temple Mount – where the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque now stand, and which Muslims call the Noble Sanctuary – will be implanting red-cow embryos in the wombs of cows in the south. These surrogate mother cows will be meticulously monitored and cared for until they give birth nine months later. If one of the newborn bovines is a heifer, and is totally red, as those running the project expect, and as long as no more than two black hairs are found on its body, it will be declared the first authentic red heifer since the days of the Second Temple.

After that, the heifer will be slaughtered and burned after reaching the age of two years. Its ashes will be mixed with water and finally, after 2,000 years, believing Jews will be able to purified from the ritual impurities associated with coming into contact with the dead, and will then be free to ascend to all parts of the Temple Mount. At least, that’s what the people at Jerusalem’s Temple Institute believe, and that’s why they’re supporting the project.

This is not the first time that Temple Mount activists have tried to find and raise a truly kosher red heifer. Their reason for doing so is that the lack of red heifer ashes is one of the most serious halakhic obstacles to building the third Temple on the Temple Mount. According to Jewish law, every Jew is currently ritually impure from having been near a dead body or gravesite. This kind of impurity can only be vanquished by water mixed with the ashes of a truly red heifer.

Getting serious

This time around, however, the efforts to raise a red heifer seem more serious, complete with a crowdsourcing campaign that raised over $15,000 in four days, meant to fund an extensive in-vitro fertilization process aimed at producing the long sought bovine.

If the project succeeds, it will allow for thousands of Temple activists to expand their tours on the Temple Mount itself, to go up to the highest platform on the Mount, and come near the Dome of the Rock itself. The process is expected to take some time, as the heifer must be two years old before it can be slaughtered, according to Jewish law. Temple Institute activists devote substantial resources to recreating the ritual activity that took place in the ancient Temples. Their efforts include fabricating ritual objects to exact specifications, preparing clothing for cohanim (priests), and teaching them how to fulfill their duties in the Temple.

A few years ago, Temple Institute researchers found on a farm in Texas a breed of red cows called the Red Angus, which is said to have particularly high-quality meat. A delegation from the Temple Institute flew to Texas and purchased a few frozen Red Angus embryos that met the criteria set by Jewish law. They also found a farm in the south that specializes in raising cows to host the surrogacy process.

The surrogate mothers and their offspring will be given extra special treatment at the farm, and be watched by closed-circuit surveillance to ensure that all halakhic criteria are met, and that no harm comes to them.

If the project is successful, the Temple Institute will possess the first such red heifer in 2,000 years. At the same time, religion scholar Tomer Persico says Jewish law presents a seeming Catch-22: The red heifer must be ritually slaughtered by a cohen who is ritually pure himself – and due to the lack of red heifer ashes, such a cohen does not exist.

But Temple Institute activists say this problem can be circumvented to create the necessary ashes. In a video clip included on the project’s indiegogo page, Rabbi Chaim Richman, head of the institute’s international division, says, “Make no mistake, this project is nothing less than the first stage of the reintroduction of biblical purity into the world, the prerequisite of the building of the holy temple. For 2,000 years we’ve been mourning for the destruction of the holy temple, but the future is in our hands.”

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.666456

This really does remind me of our TV evangelists here:

“Make no mistake, this project is nothing less than the first stage of the reintroduction of biblical purity into the world, the prerequisite of the building of the holy temple. For 2,000 years we’ve been mourning for the destruction of the holy temple, but the future is in our hands.”

And wonderfully fluffy looking.

Fucking religion.

probably more like auburn. Passing off a brown cow as red is really fucking low in my book.