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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:28 PM Aug 2015

Jewish Settlers Take Over Homes In Arab Part Of Jerusalem

By MIRIAM BERGER
Associated Press

JERUSALEM (AP) -- Ultra-nationalist Israelis took over a four-story building in the heart of an Arab neighborhood in east Jerusalem on Thursday, raising fears of fresh violence in the tense area.

A small group of activists from the Ateret Cohanim settler organization moved into the rundown white stone building. It was the latest in a wave of settler advances since nationalist Jews began buying up properties in densely populated Palestinian areas two decades ago.

The building is located in Silwan, a rundown neighborhood that is home to several hundred Jewish residents and some 50,000 Palestinians. Israeli soldiers were guarding the latest wave of settlers.

"I have 11 people inside the house, where should I go?" said Jawaf Abu Sneineh, the only Palestinian resident who has still refused to vacate the building. He said he already paid the year's rent.

more...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_ISRAEL_PALESTINIANS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-27-13-59-33

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Jewish Settlers Take Over Homes In Arab Part Of Jerusalem (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2015 OP
Thuggery. nt ladjf Aug 2015 #1
Where does Israel get off popping off about Iran? GitRDun Aug 2015 #2
Families Reclaim Jewish Houses in Jerusalem's Shiloach Village oberliner Aug 2015 #3
Three cheers for Usraeli thuggery!!! R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2015 #5
I believe they bought and paid for these properties? King_David Aug 2015 #6
We should stop calling them "settlers." R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2015 #4
If you think this is an act of terrorism, then the word has no meaning oberliner Aug 2015 #8
Did they buy the property? King_David Aug 2015 #7
Do you think it's OK for everyone in Jerusalem to regain their properties and throw out the tenants Little Tich Aug 2015 #9
They bought and paid for the property King_David Aug 2015 #11
There are many Arab owned properties in West Jerusalem that have been taken over by JNF Little Tich Aug 2015 #13
Did they buy this property? King_David Aug 2015 #14
??? Little Tich Aug 2015 #17
That's a lie oberliner Aug 2015 #15
Israel's Absentee Property Law Exposes an Absence of Morality in Jerusalem Little Tich Aug 2015 #16
Nothing in this article supports your false claim oberliner Aug 2015 #20
True, I don't really know whether the stolen Arab properties in Western Jerusalem are held by the Little Tich Aug 2015 #24
Or the stolen Jewish properties now controlled by the Palestinian Authority oberliner Aug 2015 #25
Unlike you, I think all properties in Jerusalem should be returned to their owners. n/t. Little Tich Aug 2015 #26
From your article .... Israeli Aug 2015 #10
So they purchase property and then move there? oberliner Aug 2015 #12
Its objectionable because they are .... Israeli Aug 2015 #18
When E Jerusalem is returned to the Palestinians will Jewish people be allowed to live there? oberliner Aug 2015 #19
When ..... Israeli Aug 2015 #22
Yeah, Jews shouldn't be allowed to buy property in Jerusalem.... shira Aug 2015 #21
Correction shira .... Israeli Aug 2015 #23

GitRDun

(1,846 posts)
2. Where does Israel get off popping off about Iran?
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:40 PM
Aug 2015

They whine and cry to big brother US to get him to bully and beat up the kid down the block, Iran, for saying things they don't like.

Meanwhile, they're quietly moving the neighbors out of their houses by force.

Israel is a petulant child that needs a time out. They're no ally.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. Families Reclaim Jewish Houses in Jerusalem's Shiloach Village
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:09 PM
Aug 2015

Several Jewish families on Thursday moved into homes in the Shiloach Village (Silwan).

The homes belong to the Beit Rachel complex, which was part of the “Yemenite Hekdesh” community buildings owned by the old Yemenite community of Jerusalem.

The six apartments were purchased from the Arab families who had taken over the property after the War of Liberation, when the area was occupied by Jordan until the 1967 Six Day War.

The buildings were constructed in 1882, when the neighborhood was an exclusively Jewish one. The Yemenite community was one of many Jewish communities to have a presence in the neighborhood, with its own synagogue and institutions.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/199983#.Vd9gB-mprzI

 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
4. We should stop calling them "settlers."
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:21 PM
Aug 2015

They're terrorists, and anybody in I/P that defends their acts of terror are just as bad.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. If you think this is an act of terrorism, then the word has no meaning
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:49 PM
Aug 2015

According to Palestinian sources in Silwan, the building’s Palestinian owner admitted that he had reached a financial agreement with Ateret Cohanim.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.673389

Jews moving into a building that they purchase legally is terrorism?

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
9. Do you think it's OK for everyone in Jerusalem to regain their properties and throw out the tenants
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 01:09 AM
Aug 2015

or do you think it's only OK when it's Jewish owners throwing out Arab tenants?

The reason I'm asking is because I perceive that you may be using a legal argument (ownership) to mask some form of bias.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
11. They bought and paid for the property
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:25 AM
Aug 2015

Do you believe Jews should not be allowed to purchase property's ?

An ex boyfriend bought a Condo in Miami and moved in himself and gave the tenants 4 weeks to vacate on closing. He was allowed to do this even though he is Jewish.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
13. There are many Arab owned properties in West Jerusalem that have been taken over by JNF
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:06 AM
Aug 2015

and given to Jewish Israeli tenants. The exact same laws that are used for returning the property to Jewish owners ought to be used for Arab properties, don't you think?

The problem is that currently only Jewish owners have these rights and Arab owners don't, which is blatantly racist. So do you think only Jews in Jerusalem have the right to get their properties returned to them, or do you think that the laws should be applied to all, with no regard to ethnicity?

Basically, a Jew law or a law for all?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. That's a lie
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:45 AM
Aug 2015

Please provide evidence of the many Arab owned properties in West Jerusalem that have been taken over by JNF and given to Jewish Israeli tenants.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
16. Israel's Absentee Property Law Exposes an Absence of Morality in Jerusalem
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 09:57 AM
Aug 2015
Source: Haaretz, Jun 07, 2013

Upholding a 63-year-old law allowing Israel to confiscate "absentee" properties of Palestinian-owned homes in Jerusalem sends a dangerous message and puts up a road block to peace.

Anyone who works in real estate in Jerusalem will tell you what constitutes one of the most desirable properties in town: an old Arab house. Not in East Jerusalem, but in the West Jerusalem neighborhood where I live. In fact, the pre-1948 Arab houses of Baka are unabashedly listed this way: Buy a “Beit Aravi,” like the one in this video, which comes with accompanying mood music and the broker’s boast of authenticity.

Few but the most liberal of Israelis take note of this irony – Arab house equals charm and character – and are willing to acknowledge the fuzzy moral territory of the Jerusalem we now find ourselves in today.

But 1948 is so long ago and peace so far away, and so we don’t like to think too hard about how these lovely “vintage” homes got here. Tuesday, on the other hand, that’s not so long ago at all. On Tuesday, Attorney General Yehuda Weinstein said in a legal opinion that a 63-year-old law allowing Israel to confiscate "absentee" properties may continue to be applied to Palestinian-owned homes in Jerusalem.

As Haaretz reported, this isn’t simply about leaving on the books a law that passed in 1950, when the Jewish state’ survival seemed less secure and Israelis feared droves of Palestinian refugees returning to claim the homes they left behind. Today, this is about Palestinians who live in the West Bank – and sometimes, meters from their property in Jerusalem – and had their homes confiscated because they’re now “absentees,” ie. no longer Jerusalem residents. In other words, we’re not talking about the homes of Palestinians who are already spending a second or even third generation in Jordan or Lebanon or somewhere much further afield – we’re talking about people who still live in the vicinity, under Israeli rule, but now find themselves on the wrong side of the line for maintaining their property.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/jerusalem-vivendi/.premium-1.528427

Note: There are some link in the beginning of the article that could help you. Do you honestly believe that not even a single property in West Jerusalem was owned by Arabs before the 1948 war?
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Nothing in this article supports your false claim
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:13 PM
Aug 2015

You may be confusing the Israeli Land Authority and the Jewish National Fund.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
24. True, I don't really know whether the stolen Arab properties in Western Jerusalem are held by the
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 05:03 AM
Aug 2015

ILA or the JNF-KKL.

It doesn't matter anyway, the fact is that they're stolen and that the Israeli apartheid system only gives back properties to Jewish owners.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. Or the stolen Jewish properties now controlled by the Palestinian Authority
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:28 AM
Aug 2015

Centuries old Jewish communities where Jews are no longer permitted to live.

Do you see no irony in the "Jewish Quarter" now being considered to be Occupied Palestine?

I guess "stolen properties" only go back so far?

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
10. From your article ....
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 05:01 AM
Aug 2015
" A small group of activists from the Ateret Cohanim settler organization moved into the rundown white stone building."
...............


U.S. Group Invests Tax-free Millions in East Jerusalem Land

American Friends of Ateret Cohanim sends millions of shekels to Israel every year for political purposes.

Uri Blau 17.08.2009

American Friends of Ateret Cohanim, a nonprofit organization that sends millions of shekels worth of donations to Israel every year for clearly political purposes, such as buying Arab properties in East Jerusalem, is registered in the United States as an organization that funds educational institutes in Israel.

The U.S. tax code enables nonprofits to receive tax-exempt status if they engage in educational, charitable, religious or scientific activity. However, such organizations are forbidden to engage in any political activity. The latter is broadly defined as any action, even the promotion of certain ideas, that could have a political impact.

Financing land purchases in East Jerusalem would, therefore, seem to violate the organization's tax-exempt status.

Daniel Luria, chief fund-raiser for Ateret Cohanim in Israel, told Haaretz Sunday that the American organization's registration as an educational entity stemmed from tax considerations.

"We are an umbrella organization that engages in redeeming land," he said. "Our [fund-raising] activity in New York goes solely toward land redemption."

Although Ateret Cohanim also operates a yeshiva, Ateret Yerushalayim, in the Muslim Quarter of Jerusalem's Old City, fund-raising for the yeshiva is handled by a different organization: American Friends of Yeshivat Ateret Yerushalayim."

American Friends of Ateret Cohanim was founded in New York in 1987. Like all tax-exempt organizations, it must file detailed annual returns with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service. An examination of them reveals that the organization describes its "primary exempt purpose" as: "[to] provide funding for higher educational institutes in Israel."
"That's because of the tax issue," Luria said, explaining that due to American law, the American Friends organization "has to be connected in some fashion with educational matters."

He also estimated that 60 percent of Ateret Cohanim's money is raised in the U.S.
The Friends organization's most recent return, filed in 2008 for fiscal 2007, shows that it raised $2.1 million in donations that year. Of this, $1.6 million was transferred to Ateret Cohanim in Israel.

The remainder was used to cover administrative overhead, including fund-raising expenses and an $80,000 salary for Shoshana Hikind, the American organization's vice president and de facto director, whose husband Dov is a New York state assemblyman and well-known supporter of the Israeli right.


The organization also raised substantial sums in previous years: $1.3 million in 2006, $900,000 in 2005 and about $2 million in 2004.
By comparison, American Friends of Yeshivat Ateret Yerushalayim raised only $189,000 in 2007.

In its IRS returns, American Friends of Ateret Cohanim said its purpose is to "promote," "publicize" and "raise funds for" Ateret Cohanim institutions in Israel. These institutions, it continued, "encourage and promote study and observance of Jewish religious traditions and culture."

In reality, Ateret Cohanim in Israel focuses mainly on purchasing Arab property in East Jerusalem. Since its founding in the 1970s, it has bought dozens of Arab buildings for Jews to reside in. Just this April, for instance, it moved Jewish families into an Arab house it purchased in the Muslim Quarter.

One noteworthy donor to its Friends organization is casino magnate Irving Moskowitz, a well-known supporter of rightist causes, who also owns the Shepherd Hotel in East Jerusalem. That hotel made headlines recently when Moskowitz obtained a permit to build 20 apartments for Jews there, sparking angry protests from the U.S. government.


In response, Ateret Cohanim chairman Mati Dan insisted that the Friends organization "is an independent organization that decides for itself whom to fund." Moreover, he added, "we engage in education constantly ... I don't know what Daniel Luria told you, but we are active in the field of [educational] institutions."

As of press time, no comment had been obtained from the Friends organization.
Nir Hasson contributed to this report.

Source: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/u-s-group-invests-tax-free-millions-in-east-jerusalem-land-1.282112
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. So they purchase property and then move there?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 07:44 AM
Aug 2015

And this is objectionable because they are Jewish?

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
18. Its objectionable because they are ....
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 11:51 AM
Aug 2015

....religious Right wing racist fascists oberliner who should not be there at all considering East Jerusalem is occupied territory which should be returned to the Palestinians .

You forget that I am Gush Shalom :.....

Reinstating the pre-1967 "Green Line" as the border between the State of Israel and the State of Palestine (with possible minor exchanges of territories agreed between the parties); the border will be open for the free movement of people and goods, subject to mutual agreement.

Establishing Jerusalem as the capital of the two states, with East Jerusalem (including the Haram al-Sharif) serving as the capital of Palestine and West Jerusalem (including the Western Wall) serving as the capital of Israel. The city is to be united on the physical and municipal level, based on mutual agreement.


http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/about/aims/

More from us dreaded Leftists just for you oberliner :

By +972 Blog |Published August 28, 2015

Settlers take over East Jerusalem home in the dead of night

In the latest of a number of home takeovers in Palestinian neighborhoods of East Jerusalem, settlers took up residence in a home they said belonged to Jews before the establishment of the state of Israel.

A group of Israeli settlers moved into an apartment building in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Silwan on Thursday.

The group of at least 20 belongs to the Ateret Cohanim settler organization, which purchases properties in neighborhoods of East Jerusalem and has taken legal action in order to evict the Palestinian owners of those buildings.

In this latest case, it claimed that the white stone, five story building was located on land belong to a historical Jewish real estate association established a century ago by the Yemenite Jewish community of Jerusalem.

One Palestinian family of eleven, headed by Jawaf Abu Sneineh, remained in their apartment, claiming that they had already paid the year’s rent. They are reportedly still living there, though they say they are afraid of the settler residents above them, according to the Associated Press.


The late night move almost doubled the number of Jewish settlers in the neighborhood and added to already high tensions regarding disputes over land ownership in the area.

Related stories :
How Jerusalem makes Palestinians disappear By Orly Noy | May 23, 2015
Israel issues E. J'lem settlement tenders as violence spikes By Natasha Roth | April 27, 2015
The Davidization of Jerusalem: On the politics of symbols By +972 Blog | December 28, 2014

Silwan is currently home to several hundred Jewish settlers and some 50,000 Palestinians. It is an impoverished area just on the outskirts of the Old City of Jerusalem, and it has been the target of the Ateret Cohanim organization in recent months.

Palestinians have frequently resisted the eviction orders in court, where they say the Jewish Israelis are almost always given preference.


Many of the takeovers of Palestinian homes have taken place in the dead of night, in the efforts to “avoid unnecessary friction with some of the local Arabs during the day,” according to a statement released by Ateret Cohanim.

The settlers, holding just as many bags as they could carry, as they quietly made their way through the alleys, were accompanied by armed soldiers–a move that critics say only further exacerbates the tensions.

Americans for Peace Now president and CEO Debra DeLee condemned the takeover and said in a statement, “By not blocking the settlers’ hostile takeover of assets in a Palestinian neighborhood, Israeli authorities are fanning the flames of violence and supporting the extremists who strive to thwart a future Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement.”

Source :http://972mag.com/settlers-take-over-east-jerusalem-home-in-the-dead-of-night/111098/

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. When E Jerusalem is returned to the Palestinians will Jewish people be allowed to live there?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 03:54 PM
Aug 2015

Do you think they should be?

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
22. When .....
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:34 AM
Aug 2015

....not if oberliner ?

When .....which I seriously doubt will ever happen .....then that would be up to the Palestinians not I . If I were a Palestinian I would not want them near me ...not because they are Jewish oberliner but because as previously stated they are racist fascists ...same reason most Israelis stay far away from Hebron and other places within The Wild West Bank .

Would you be happy with Kahanists as your next door neighbor ?????

Israeli

(4,151 posts)
23. Correction shira ....
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:38 AM
Aug 2015

In East Jerusalem .........plenty room in West Jerusalem .

Background on East Jerusalem

Published: 1 Jan 2011
Updated: 11 May 2015

Since East Jerusalem was annexed in 1967, the government of Israel's primary goal in Jerusalem has been to create a demographic and geographic situation that will thwart any future attempt to challenge Israeli sovereignty over the city. To achieve this goal, the government has been taking actions to increase the number of Jews and reduce the number of Palestinians living in the city.

At the end of 2012, the population of the Jerusalem municipality was 815,310 Jews and others (63 percent) and 300,150 Palestinians (37 percent). 61 percent of the residents live on land that was annexed in 1967 (40 percent of whom are Jews, and 60 percent Palestinians). With Palestinians having a higher demographic growth rate (2.6 precent in 2012) than Jews (0.9 precent in 2012), Israel has used various methods to achieve its goal:

Physically isolating East Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank, in part by building the Separation Barrier;

Discriminating in land expropriation, planning and building, and demolition of houses;

Revoking residency and social benefits of Palestinians who stay abroad for at least seven years, or who are unable to prove that their center of life is in Jerusalem;

Unfairly dividing the budget between the two parts of the city, with harmful effects to infrastructure and services in East Jerusalem.

Israel's policy gravely infringes the rights of residents of East Jerusalem and flagrantly breaches international law.

East Jerusalem is occupied territory. Therefore, it is subject, as is the rest of the West Bank, to the provisions of international humanitarian law that relate to occupied territory. The annexation of East Jerusalem breaches international law, which prohibits unilateral annexation. For this reason, the international community, including the United States, does not recognize the annexation of East Jerusalem.

Source: http://www.btselem.org/jerusalem

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