Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumThe Bedouin children trying to stop bulldozers with their cameras
http://972mag.com/the-bedouin-children-trying-to-stop-bulldozers-with-their-cameras/111434/Despite the fact that the Negev Coexistence Forum for Civil Equality organizes its yearly photography workshops during the summer, it was clear that this year it was of utmost importance to do it in the summer, despite the heat.
In May, Israels High Court of Justice refused to cancel eviction orders against Umm al-Hiran, home to 700 men, women and children of the al-Qian tribe. The state wants to demolish the village and relocate the Bedouin residents to the town of Hura for the sole purpose of building Hiran over its ruins. Umm al-Hirans adjacent sister village, Atir, will also be destroyed to expand the man-made forest of Yatir.
Those who came to last weeks protest against the bulldozers, which are working hard to build the new Jewish town, were surprised to find children with cameras strapped around their necks, documenting the demonstration from every possible angle.
I can understand why Bibi Netanyahu doesn't want to take any refugees on since Israel is creating its own refugees by destroying Bedouin villages and replacing them with Jewish ones.
What Israel is doing is truly repulsive, but I'm sure the excuse machine will be by shortly to cry about 972Mag.com
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Which is only a few kilometers from this location.
Hura being a town that has all government services unlike this unrecognized one.
From Wikipedia:
Unlike illegal villages with scarce access to water, electricity and services, Hura provides the residents with all their basic needs and the State encourages for scattered Bedouin tribes to settle in Hura by giving them land plots with ready built homes at a symbolic cost.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hura
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)But that's alright with some. Move the locals along, destroy the fact that they have ever been there, build a new Israeli settlement on its ruins and ship off the unlucky non-Jewish folk to some place else.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/1.655145
Supreme Court Allows State to Replace Bedouin Village With Jewish One
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nadim-nashif/the-bigger-picture-of-the_b_7586138.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_al-Hiran
Gotta move those uppity Bedouin out of the way. Right, ober??
oberliner
(58,724 posts)You didn't really address the question.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)to the forced removal of an apparent second class set of citizens in Israel.
You should feel ashamed to even double down on the query.
Seeing how the removal of these Israeli citizens, to be replaced by the kind with the right background, should make anybody pissed off, but I guess that some are blind to that.
Would you be in favor of African Americans being removed from their homes to be replaced by Southern white Christians??
If you are for the removal of the Bedouin then you must be for the removal of any group just as long as it benefits the ruling group.
Prove me wrong.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's fine.
Nowhere did I express support for anyone being forced to move, incidentally. That only exists in your mind.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Your usual MO, ober.
No denunciations, but subtle agreement with the party line, IMHO.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)b ut I know I know -why don't those Natives just go quietly to the reservation?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But that isn't actually a response to the question.
procon
(15,805 posts)As I read the backstory about this, I wasn't very surprised to find that Israel is forcing the Bedouins off land that was ceded to them by the departing British, but never officially acknowledged. Now the state has claimed the land and wants to demolish the Bedouin's town and develop a new one on top of the ruins that will be for Israelis only.
The government has set up an over-crowded reservation system to hold the Bedouins which are described as having the highest percentage of unemployment and poverty in Israel. What the argument was against integrating both Israelis and Bedouins in the same town and improving the infrastructure services and housing for everyone? Otherwise this is just more of the same ugly, race based segregation that defines Israel's harsh discrimination policies toward minority groups.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)It's the very definition of apartheid to forcibly remove communities of of one ethnic group in order to replace them with communities of another ethnic group.
If Israel goes through with the demolition and replacement of Bedouin communities with Jewish ones, Israel will have stepped over the apartheid threshold. This will have serious consequences for Israel's standing in the world.
It would also affect me personally, as I support Israel as a democratic state, and If Israel goes over to the dark side, I must reconsider whether there's anything left to support.
Perhaps I would have to make the ultimate sacrifice and stop buying Israeli products; no more Bamba, no more Eskal pickles...
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)are comitted inside Israel or by Israelis im the West Bank Israel is complicit in the act of apartheid.
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R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Agreed, this is typical apartheid society behavior. Israel claims it needs this particular plot of land to accommodate people who have never lived in Israel. The Bedouin are treated as non-human, and given the structure of the Israeli legal system, the Bedouin are NOT fully human in the way that an Israeli Jew is.
This story illustrates that when defenders of Israel talk about the fact that Israel is the only Middle East democracy, there are two possibilities.
1) The speaker is unaware of the facts, or
2) The speaker has an agenda that allows the facts to be avoided when the facts conflict with the narrative.
shira
(30,109 posts)...The facts are, first of all, that the Bedouin expansion to the compound allotted to Hiran began only after the decision was made to build the new community. It's written in the ruling. There are aerial photos that prove it.
Secondly, most of the Bedouins who were in the areas discussed by the Supreme Court willingly accepted the arrangement proposed by the state, according to the Prawer outline. The outline included generous land allotments in the adjacent recognized community of Hura, including an exemption from payment for the land, an exemption from payment for infrastructures and additional compensation for the transfer.
Thirdly, up until two years ago, the Regional Council of Unrecognized Villages of Negev which are at the heart of the conflict was headed by Ibrahim Aloquili, who tried to advance an arrangement with the state. The members of the coalition of incitement and deception didn't like it. They worked to present him as a collaborator and oust him. Why? Because radical elements wanted a militant line. "Aloquili has been seen for a long time now as a person who is sabotaging the attempts of other leaders to advance a more hawkish line vis-à-vis the government," they argued. The picture is becoming clear.
...It failed to mention the fact that most Bedouins supported the arrangement without being forced to. It failed to mention the fact that the Bedouins expanded to the community of Hiran only after it was decided to build it. It failed to mention the fact that the Bedouins' families are not being thrown out on the street but are receiving a generous arrangement from the state. Why were these facts concealed from the readers? We know the answer. It's not criticism; it's incitement and deception.
Not everyone who opposes the Prawer Plan is an enemy of the State of Israel or the Zionist enterprise. But for many, the Bedouin issue has turned into another propaganda tool as part of the attempt to present Israel, and the entire Zionist enterprise, as an enterprise of oppression, discrimination and expulsion. This is the reason why the campaign has become international.
Admittedly, the lies are winning. Even the European Union has already volunteered to save the Bedouins from the Zionist regime. In the face of the lies and distortion, all that is left is to present the facts.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4656018,00.html
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Israeli
(4,161 posts)Quote : " The deception in +972, Haaretz, etc.. is staggering. Here are the facts... "
First they came for Mondoweiss ....
Then they came for us .
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Scream and cry anti-Semite as long as possible.
Like Netanbooboo, nobody believes them any longer. Their actions are transparent and disgusting.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:19 AM - Edit history (1)
I wouldn't qualify him as mainstream or what he writes as fact... Do you have anything supporting the removal from a more mainstream source?
Israeli
(4,161 posts)Ben-Dror Yemini is a favorite of shira......me , I favor Gideon Levy.
......http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/haaretz-gideon-levy-and-the-israel-apartheid-canard/
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I mixed up Yemini's articles, he's everywhere. But I would prefer Gideon Levy too.