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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:07 PM Oct 2015

Jewish Israeli teens lean right, many support ‘price tag’

One wonders what's in those Israeli textbooks that incites them to be so hateful

According to the poll, 52% of Israeli adolescents define themselves as right-wing, 30% see themselves as centrist, and only 9% consider themselves left-wing.

When asked about Israel’s Jewish and democratic character, 41% of Jewish students responded that the state’s Jewish character is more important than its democratic one, while 25% answered the opposite.

...

In an alarming trend, only 28% of Jewish respondents said they condemned so-called price tag attacks associated with religious, far-right Jewish groups, with students from a traditional home surprisingly more likely to decry those attacks than their secular peers.

Such incidents of violence or vandalism target Palestinians or Israeli security forces and are asserted to be payback for actions against the settlement enterprise.

Of the students who identified as right-wing, 48% condoned or said they understood the rationale behind such attacks.


http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-israeli-teens-lean-right-many-support-price-tag/

If one wants proof that Zionism is a failed ideology, there you go. Compare that to Jews raised in the United States, and the cultural and political and ideological chasm is vast.
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Jewish Israeli teens lean right, many support ‘price tag’ (Original Post) geek tragedy Oct 2015 OP
And when you realize that "centrism" is just a smug way of saying "go with the flow"... Scootaloo Oct 2015 #1
instead of a sharp partisan split, there's a split betwen geek tragedy Oct 2015 #2
There are no differences so vast as those within families, nor violence so ugly. leveymg Oct 2015 #3
As long as the US follows Israel's instructions at the UN, I don't think we'll see one. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #4
Maybe it's because lots of them know someone who was impacted by a Palestinian terrorist attack oberliner Oct 2015 #5
Multiply that by 100 and you get what the Palestinians have to endure due to Israeli aggression geek tragedy Oct 2015 #6
I am surprised you have a Bernie Sanders Avatar with that OTT anti Israel rhetoric, King_David Oct 2015 #9
Respectfully, please do not use that idiotic argument about Bernie Sanders anymore. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #11
LOL , you tell me not to use that argument and then in the second paragraph you use that argument? King_David Oct 2015 #15
I am not surprised you have consistently made a fool out of yourself with that bankrupt stance. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #18
The vast majority of Jews in the USA are Zionist supporters of Israel, King_David Oct 2015 #7
They're also liberals and abhor racism whose belief in justice and democracy trumps geek tragedy Oct 2015 #8
Most of your posts are Wishful thinking.... King_David Oct 2015 #10
"blah blah blah Israel rules blah blah Bernie Sanders" geek tragedy Oct 2015 #12
No that about covers it, King_David Oct 2015 #13
do you post about Bernie in the Bernie Sanders group, or only to defend Israel? nt geek tragedy Oct 2015 #14
On this site I post only in this group, King_David Oct 2015 #16
That's a very alarming read TubbersUK Oct 2015 #17
an older piece by Aluf Benn p what we see in this OP is the end result azurnoir Oct 2015 #19
The entire piece rings so true: geek tragedy Oct 2015 #20
That most younger Israeli were raised to see Palestinians as the enemy, that they are indoctrinated azurnoir Oct 2015 #21
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
2. instead of a sharp partisan split, there's a split betwen
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:15 PM
Oct 2015

those who eagerly want the country to be a rightwing nightmare vs those who are just okay with the country being a rightwing nightmare

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. There are no differences so vast as those within families, nor violence so ugly.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:15 PM
Oct 2015

I predict that within a short-time we will see an act of terrorism by a Right-wing Israeli or a strong supporter against Americans, the target most likely Jewish Americans of the Left, either in Israel or inside the U.S.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. As long as the US follows Israel's instructions at the UN, I don't think we'll see one.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:18 PM
Oct 2015

But the nanosecond that the US votes against Israel at the UN, maybe.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. Maybe it's because lots of them know someone who was impacted by a Palestinian terrorist attack
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:23 PM
Oct 2015

This is a lot more visceral than what one might read in any textbook.

The late 1990's and early 2000's were particularly tragic in this regard.

To wit:

On Sunday, March 4, 2001, shortly before 9:00 am, a Palestinian suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt hidden underneath his clothes detonated the explosive device at a busy intersection in the center of the business district of Netanya, Israel. The force of the blast killed three civilians and injured over 60 people

On Wednesday, May 18, 2001 at 11:30 am, a Palestinian suicide bomber wearing a long blue jacket with hidden explosives attached to his body, approached the popular HaSharon Mall mall in the center of Netanya. The suspicious looking militant was approached by the mall's security guard whom soon thereafter attempted to prevent the suicide bomber from entering the mall. As a result, the militant immediately blew himself up at the entrance to the mall. The blast killed five people and injured more than 100.

The Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing was a terrorist attack on 1 June 2001 in which Saeed Hotari blew himself up outside of a nightclub in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 21 Israeli teenagers and 4 adults. The majority of the victims were teenaged girls, whose families had immigrated to Tel Aviv from the former Soviet Union.

That was just in a period of a few months.

If Jews raised in the United States were subject to these sorts of attacks with such regularity, I would imagine their ideology might shift accordingly as well.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Multiply that by 100 and you get what the Palestinians have to endure due to Israeli aggression
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 01:32 PM
Oct 2015

and oppression and state-sponsored terror. Check the body counts.

And then 'liberals' such as yourself cluck when they break out in spasms of violence, whining that the Palestinians are only rioting because they're bigots who can't stand to see Jews praying on the temple mount.

You actually claimed that the Palestinians are more bothered by the jews praying than they are by seeing their friends and classmates blown to pieces by IDF artillery and by checkpoints and discrimination.

Whereas here, you make excuses for Israelis being a bunch of rightwing, warmongering bigots.

The Israelis need to get over their pathological victim complex. They are the stronger, more dominant, more violent party in this dispute. Abbas is not Hitler, he's an impotent servant of Israel.

The periodic outbreaks of Palestinian violence don't bother them so much that they're willing to turn away from apartheid.










King_David

(14,851 posts)
9. I am surprised you have a Bernie Sanders Avatar with that OTT anti Israel rhetoric,
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:03 PM
Oct 2015

When Bernie becomes President , with his strong support of Israel, you will be bound to be dissapointed.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. Respectfully, please do not use that idiotic argument about Bernie Sanders anymore.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:07 PM
Oct 2015

All it does is indicate you are afraid to engage in substantive discussion, and rather hide behind nonsensical chatter like that.

Israel would have a lot to fear about having a progressive Jew in the White House that they couldn't browbeat via the lobby.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
15. LOL , you tell me not to use that argument and then in the second paragraph you use that argument?
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:13 PM
Oct 2015

Respectfully ,I get to decide which argument I use.






 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
18. I am not surprised you have consistently made a fool out of yourself with that bankrupt stance.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 09:43 PM
Oct 2015
...IMHO

To continue with that two dimensional reasoning shows a complete lack of understanding that times are changing rapidly for the apartheid state.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. They're also liberals and abhor racism whose belief in justice and democracy trumps
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:00 PM
Oct 2015

other considerations.

Eventually, something will have to give.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
10. Most of your posts are Wishful thinking....
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:06 PM
Oct 2015

With no base in reality.

I admire your perseverance and dreaming about things that do not exist and never will exist - Certainly not under President Sanders watch

King_David

(14,851 posts)
16. On this site I post only in this group,
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:18 PM
Oct 2015

On another site I very actively support Bernie Sanders in my favorite forum for that.

And on another forum I am very active in the timeshare group.

Yet another I post exclusively about sports-cars.

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
17. That's a very alarming read
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 02:21 PM
Oct 2015

but not surprising given the execrable example set by their political leaders.





azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
19. an older piece by Aluf Benn p what we see in this OP is the end result
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 10:51 PM
Oct 2015
“The Arabs,” as they were called then, manned our country’s service sector for two decades after Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza in June 1967. But lacking civil or political rights, this underclass rebelled in December 1987. Termed the first intifada, the Palestinian uprising abruptly changed Israel’s reality. Palestinian workers disappeared from sight, first the young ones, then the elders.

Born a few months after the outbreak of the first intifada, my daughter grew up in a very different environment than I did. She has never met a Palestinian from the West Bank or Gaza. Now 19, she has seen our Palestinian neighbors only on TV, and views them as aliens. She is much more familiar with American brand names and sitcom characters than with the people who live 15 miles east of her Tel Aviv home.


http://www.salon.com/2007/11/26/two_state/
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. The entire piece rings so true:
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 11:06 PM
Oct 2015
But this situation comes with a price. While allowing Israelis to ignore their unfriendly neighborhood, and live under the illusion that their country exists somewhere in Europe or North America, the status quo reduces Israelis’ motivation to seek compromise and peace with the Palestinians. To observers of the Palestinians’ deteriorating situation in the occupied territories, that symptom of Israeli denial can appear morally repugnant. And as the destitution in those areas mounts, the status quo is not likely to be sustainable — a deeper chaos could erupt and become a much greater problem for Israel’s government and people.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
21. That most younger Israeli were raised to see Palestinians as the enemy, that they are indoctrinated
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 08:10 AM
Oct 2015

from childhood for the years they will spend in IDF as overlords of the Palestinians contributes greatly here

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