Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumJewish Israeli teens lean right, many support ‘price tag’
One wonders what's in those Israeli textbooks that incites them to be so hatefulWhen asked about Israels Jewish and democratic character, 41% of Jewish students responded that the states Jewish character is more important than its democratic one, while 25% answered the opposite.
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In an alarming trend, only 28% of Jewish respondents said they condemned so-called price tag attacks associated with religious, far-right Jewish groups, with students from a traditional home surprisingly more likely to decry those attacks than their secular peers.
Such incidents of violence or vandalism target Palestinians or Israeli security forces and are asserted to be payback for actions against the settlement enterprise.
Of the students who identified as right-wing, 48% condoned or said they understood the rationale behind such attacks.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-israeli-teens-lean-right-many-support-price-tag/
If one wants proof that Zionism is a failed ideology, there you go. Compare that to Jews raised in the United States, and the cultural and political and ideological chasm is vast.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)those who eagerly want the country to be a rightwing nightmare vs those who are just okay with the country being a rightwing nightmare
leveymg
(36,418 posts)I predict that within a short-time we will see an act of terrorism by a Right-wing Israeli or a strong supporter against Americans, the target most likely Jewish Americans of the Left, either in Israel or inside the U.S.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)But the nanosecond that the US votes against Israel at the UN, maybe.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)This is a lot more visceral than what one might read in any textbook.
The late 1990's and early 2000's were particularly tragic in this regard.
To wit:
On Sunday, March 4, 2001, shortly before 9:00 am, a Palestinian suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt hidden underneath his clothes detonated the explosive device at a busy intersection in the center of the business district of Netanya, Israel. The force of the blast killed three civilians and injured over 60 people
On Wednesday, May 18, 2001 at 11:30 am, a Palestinian suicide bomber wearing a long blue jacket with hidden explosives attached to his body, approached the popular HaSharon Mall mall in the center of Netanya. The suspicious looking militant was approached by the mall's security guard whom soon thereafter attempted to prevent the suicide bomber from entering the mall. As a result, the militant immediately blew himself up at the entrance to the mall. The blast killed five people and injured more than 100.
The Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing was a terrorist attack on 1 June 2001 in which Saeed Hotari blew himself up outside of a nightclub in Tel Aviv, Israel, killing 21 Israeli teenagers and 4 adults. The majority of the victims were teenaged girls, whose families had immigrated to Tel Aviv from the former Soviet Union.
That was just in a period of a few months.
If Jews raised in the United States were subject to these sorts of attacks with such regularity, I would imagine their ideology might shift accordingly as well.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and oppression and state-sponsored terror. Check the body counts.
And then 'liberals' such as yourself cluck when they break out in spasms of violence, whining that the Palestinians are only rioting because they're bigots who can't stand to see Jews praying on the temple mount.
You actually claimed that the Palestinians are more bothered by the jews praying than they are by seeing their friends and classmates blown to pieces by IDF artillery and by checkpoints and discrimination.
Whereas here, you make excuses for Israelis being a bunch of rightwing, warmongering bigots.
The Israelis need to get over their pathological victim complex. They are the stronger, more dominant, more violent party in this dispute. Abbas is not Hitler, he's an impotent servant of Israel.
The periodic outbreaks of Palestinian violence don't bother them so much that they're willing to turn away from apartheid.
King_David
(14,851 posts)When Bernie becomes President , with his strong support of Israel, you will be bound to be dissapointed.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)All it does is indicate you are afraid to engage in substantive discussion, and rather hide behind nonsensical chatter like that.
Israel would have a lot to fear about having a progressive Jew in the White House that they couldn't browbeat via the lobby.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Respectfully ,I get to decide which argument I use.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)To continue with that two dimensional reasoning shows a complete lack of understanding that times are changing rapidly for the apartheid state.
King_David
(14,851 posts)As are the majority of Americans.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)other considerations.
Eventually, something will have to give.
King_David
(14,851 posts)With no base in reality.
I admire your perseverance and dreaming about things that do not exist and never will exist - Certainly not under President Sanders watch
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Got anything else?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Go Bernie Go....
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)On another site I very actively support Bernie Sanders in my favorite forum for that.
And on another forum I am very active in the timeshare group.
Yet another I post exclusively about sports-cars.
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)but not surprising given the execrable example set by their political leaders.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Born a few months after the outbreak of the first intifada, my daughter grew up in a very different environment than I did. She has never met a Palestinian from the West Bank or Gaza. Now 19, she has seen our Palestinian neighbors only on TV, and views them as aliens. She is much more familiar with American brand names and sitcom characters than with the people who live 15 miles east of her Tel Aviv home.
http://www.salon.com/2007/11/26/two_state/
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)from childhood for the years they will spend in IDF as overlords of the Palestinians contributes greatly here